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ANNOUNCEMENT:
(current as of 12th September 2016)

Yes the Group Buy is still running!


Under this group buy, GSF (one specific branch only) are able to supply OEM quality Brembo, Zimmerman and Jurid discs with Jurid/Brembo standard pads at a substantial discount over Audi prices, for Mk1 and now Mk2 TTs.

JUST ADD UP THE PRICES BELOW (before VAT)(IN BLUE) FOR THE PARTS YOU WANT AND INCLUDE COST OF DELIVERY AND ADD VAT IF APPLICABLE
(Prices are current and will be confirmed including exact delivery charge at time of order.)
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Group Buy of Jurid/Brembo pads and Brembo/Zimmerman/Jurid OEM spec discs

I've sourced OEM spec standard discs from GSF who already give the TT Owners Club and TT Forum members a 10% discount. However, due to the volume of forum demand and the use of one specific branch we are able to achieve a better discount.
This is through one specific branch only and not available from any other GSF branch.

These discs are to the same dimensional drawings etc. as the Audi parts but they are a lot cheaper :) . They are also not drilled or grooved like many aftermarket, so called performance discs. Drilled and grooved discs in the standard diameter and size have less metal due to it being machined away and therefore less thermal mass. In comparison, under heavy braking they will rise in temperature quicker than with standard plain discs that have more metal to store the heat. Drillings do not provide extra cooling due to the direction of airflow - the holes block up with dust. Drilled and grooved discs in the standard size of disc are largely a marketing excercise. For performance - stick with standard plain vented discs with corresponding lower peak temperatures and greater reliability.

Discs of the same size loose heat at the same rate, as that's down to the surface area, so it's more important to reduce the temperature rise. That's why your brakes fade when your discs get thin :wink: . You only need to wear 2mm off the 25mm thick discs and they will fade noticibly earlier and need replacing. Having grooves and drillings, means you loose thermal mass and also means you'll have excess noise and pad wear and risk of cracking at these stresspoint features. That's why rally cars, limited to standard brake disc sizes in their class, use plain vented discs without drillings and grooves.

Modern pads don't tend to gas as much at extreme temperatures, unlike previous technology, so there is little advantage in perforating your discs. Really the only proper way to upgrade the discs is to fit larger discs and calipers at some considerable expense.

Restoring the brake components back to new condition will give you a substantial improvement over worn discs and pads!

The discs shown here are by Jurid (Honeywell) Jurid-Honeywell. The Jurid discs now have anti rust plating on all including internal surfaces and are the standard disc offered here representing the best value/performance combination. Also offered are Brembo and Zimmerman. The Brembos used to be painted on the edges to reduce rust in the non swept area as an addition to the OEM spec but have now been cost reduced to stay competative. The Zimmerman rear are still anti-rust plated I believe. You can always add high temperature paint by masking off the swept area before spraying to add this feature to Brembos but the Jurid now seem the best value.


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Brembo, Zimmerman and Jurid are highly respected and of very high quality used in original manufacture. They are less likely to crack and warp under severe conditions unlike cheaper lesser quality discs. I've used Brembo/Zimmerman aggressively on the track at Donnington and although I had problems with boiling brake fluid (my own fault for not changing the fluid :oops: ), the pads (Mintex Xtreme at the time) and discs survived fine and gave excellent road stopping performance throughout the rest of their life.

The pads offered here are the Jurid OEM standard Audi pad equivalent but much cheaper :wink: . http://www.honeywell-frictionmaterials.com/ Pads are also available as Brembo http://www.brembo.com/en/Auto/Auto-AM/P ... iglie.aspx

The standard disc wear limits (225/180) are 23mm (25mm new) front and 20mm (22mm new) rear which is the wear limit before replacement. Performance is degraded when they get thin and they are more prone to fade. If your disc rim unswept edge was very proud that's an indication that disc wear needs looking at, but rust build up (which occupies 7 times the space of the metal it replaces) can exaggerate the apparent lip - so tap the brittle rust off off with a small hammer first.

Prices (chose from the following examples - some example set totals given):

MK1 Audi TT

AUDI TT 20V 180 (non Quattro):

FRONT DISCS VENTILATED (ea)... BREMBO (£34.20) or JURID (£32.05) offered
[312mm VENTILATED - GSF(BREMBO): 60192 (Brembo: 09.7880.11), GSF(Jurid): 601VG0350, (Audi: 8N0 615 301A)]

FRONT PADS (axle set) ... Brembo (£22.50) ... or JURID 642VG0740 (£19.95)

REAR DISCS SOLID (ea) ...... BREMBO (£14.65) ... or JURID (£13.95)
[239mm SOLID - GSF (BREMBO): 603VG0340, Audi: 1J0 615 601 D]

REAR DISCS SOLID (ea) ... BREMBO (£14.45) ... or JURID (£9.60)
[232mm SOLID - GSF(JURID): 603VG0011, (Audi: 1J0 615 601)]

REAR PADS (axle set)... BREMBO 646VG0080 (£13.60) ... JURID 646VG0081 (£11.20) ...

Total = £123.15 (£147.78 inclusive of VAT @ 20%)
[All Jurid with larger solid rear discs example]


AUDI TT 1.8 20V T 225 BHP Quattro (and 180 Quattro):

FRONT DISCS VENTILATED (ea) ... BREMBO (£34.20) ... or JURID (£32.05)
[312mm VENTILATED - GSF(BREMBO): 60192 (Brembo: 09.7880.11), GSF(Jurid): 601VG0350, (Audi: 8N0 615 301 A)]

FRONT PADS (axle set) ... BREMBO (£22.50) ... or JURID 642VG0740 (£19.95)

REAR DISCS VENTILATED (ea) ... BREMBO (£23.55) ... ZIMMERMAN (POA) ... or JURID (£21.35)
[256mm VENTILATED - GSF(Zimmermann): 62428 (Zimmermann: 100 1241 00), GSF(JURID): 603VG0360, (Audi: 8N0 615 601 B)]

REAR DISCS SOLID (ea) ...... BREMBO (£14.65) ... or JURID (£13.95)
[239mm SOLID - GSF (BREMBO): 603VG0340, Audi: 1J0 615 601 D]

REAR PADS (axle set) .... BREMBO 646VG0080 (£13.60)... or JURID 646VG0081 (£11.20)

Total = £137.95 (£165.54 inclusive of VAT @ 20%).
[All Jurid with ventilated rear discs example]


AUDI TT 3.2 V6:

FRONT DISCS LH VENTILATED ... 601VG0450 ... £153.00 (ea) ... ZIMMERMANN FORMULA Z

FRONT DISCS RH VENTILATED ... 601VG0460 ... £153.00 (ea) ... ZIMMERMANN FORMULA Z

FRONT PADS (axle set) ... BREMBO (£34.85) ... or JURID 642BM0310 (£32.50)

REAR DISCS (ea) ... BREMBO (£23.55) ... ZIMMERMAN (POA) ... or JURID (£21.35)
[256mm VENTILATED - GSF(Zimmermann): 62428 (Zimmermann: 100 1241 00), GSF(JURID): 603VG0360, (Audi: 8N0 615 601 B)]

REAR PADS (axle set) .... BREMBO 646VG0080 (£13.60)... or JURID 646VG0081 (£11.20)

Total = £392.40 (£470.88 inclusive of VAT @ 20%).
[All Jurid pads and rear discs example]


MK2 Audi TT

1.8T CDAA 160bhp / 2.0TDI CBBB 170bhp / 2.0t PETROL TFSI BWA:

Front Disc = 601VG0931 ... £32.05 each Disc Brembo
Front Disc = 601VG0930 ... £28.35 each Disc Jurid

Front Pads = 642VG0809 ... £25.00 Pad set Brembo
Front Pads = 642VG0800 ... £20.35 Pad set Jurid

Rear Disc = 603VG0140 ... £25.65 each Disc Brembo
Rear Disc = Jurid N/A

Rear Pads = 646VG0131 ... £22.00 Pad set Brembo
Rear Pads = 646VG0130 ... £17.40 Pad set Jurid

Complete set from Total = £145.75 (£174.9 inclusive of VAT @ 20%).

2.0T 272bhp CDLB tfsi / 3.2 v6 BUB 250bhp:

Front disc = 601VG0810 ... £38.50 each Disc JURID
(Brembo special order POA)

Front Pads = 642VG1480 ... £34.00 pads Set TRW
Front Pads = 642VG1482 ... £43.80 pads Set BREMBO

Rear Disc = 603VG0740 ... £33.10 each Disc ATE
(Brembo special order POA)

Rear Pads = 646VG0130 ... £17.40 pad Set Jurid
Rear Pads = 646VG0130 ... £22.00 pad set Brembo

Complete set from Total = £194.6 (£233.52 inclusive of VAT @ 20%).


Note: Delivery charges are additional: >25kg £16+ VAT, <25kg £8 + VAT, or less - confirm when ordering. For a full set, this is borderline between the two weight charges so depends on available packaging. All efforts will be made to minimise carrier charges.


You can order any combination of pads or discs - just add them up and add VAT if applicable. The prices will be as listed above but GSF will confirm this with you over the phone when ordering. Other marques can be catered for too, so it's worth asking to see what's available.

If you are interested and want to take part then please PM :!: me with the following details:

* Forum ID:

* Name

* Address and postcode (or delivery address if different)

* Telephone number

* What you want e.g. Discs + Pads all round for TTR 225 Quattro
This is mainly for identification purposes and avoiding mistakes - I'll pass your details on to GSF who will get in touch and take your order over the phone.

Any questions, or for fitting advice, then please ask or post here on this thread :) .

Note: For pads with sticky film anti-squeal backing it's important to clean and degrease the caliper contact faces with methylated spirit so that the double sided sticky pad film bonds the pad back plate to the caliper properly. The film acts as an antisqueel shim and is the same as standard Audi pads. As the calipers get older the surface may become pitted and the film stick less well. Some pads are now being fitted with a more traditional metal shim because of this. Fitting details can be supplied if needed - just ask :)

Reference for comparison of standard Audi parts and prices from ETKA (may be out of date prices but serve as a guide):

8N0 615 301 A - 312x25mm vented front disc (all except V6) Audi = £129.34

8N0 615 301 B - 334x32mm left front vented disc V6 Audi = £294.64
8N0 615 302 B - 334x32mm right front vented disc V6 Audi = £294.64

8N0 615 601 B - 256x22mm vented rear disc Quattro Audi = £73.89
1J0 615 601 D - 239x9mm solid rear disc Quattro Audi = £38.86

1J0 615 601 - - 232x9mm solid rear disc FWD Audi = £38.86

1J0 698 151 M - Pads for 312x25mm front vented disc Audi = £64.10
4B0 698 451 - - Pads for 256x22mm rear disc Audi = £67.16
8N0 698 151 D - Pads for 334x32mm V6 Audi = £284.20
 

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#2 ·
PM sent re V6 front pads [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
 
#4 ·
You can order just front pads or discs too or rear pads only etc. whatever you want. The prices will be the same as listed above. The only thing is that the order needs to be over £100 for free delivery otherwise there will be a £10 charge.

EDIT: Since writing this carrier charges have unfortunately had to be applied due to the carrier increasing it's rates. See the top post for details.
 
#7 ·
Hark said:
and they will fit standard calipers?

Do you need a certain number for the GB to go ahead?
Yes, they are standard fit OEM and no, the group buy, or special offer, is ongoing and you don't have to wait for a certain number as that's already happened.
 
#10 ·
It will run for a good while yet. The ordering is done with GSF over the phone in the same way as with any other retailer e.g. by credit card order - I'm just compiling the list of TT owner's details to pass on to GSF and helping to organise things. I keep out of the money side or holding stock :wink: . This started when I found out about the Xtremes and OEM part availability. Myself and Jbell help set this up.

NEWS:

Please note that unfortunately, due to carrier tarriff changes which can no longer be absorbed, a charge has had to be applied for delivery :( . This has been made as small as possible and varies with weight: >25kg = £16 <25kg = £8 - or less - if just pads it can go by post. This still represents a substantial saving nonetheless.

3.2 V6 Discs are now available at a fraction of the Audi price :D . Although Mintex Xtreme are not available for the 3.2 V6, standard pads are - again at a substantial saving :)

Details at the top!
 
#13 ·
I'm afraid so. The origional carrier imposed a lower weight limit and suddenly it moved into business class and they wanted a lot more. James found another carrier which was cheaper but was still £16. With Mintex also putting up their prices he could no longer absorb the cost. He's kept the Mintex prices the same as when the Group Buy started but had to pass on the carrier price. He has at least managed to keep it proportional to the total cost.

I still believe it's the best price you can get. If you find cheaper then let me know :) .
 
#14 ·
I got my back disks and pads through, I also got a load of other parts I needed, the service was top draw and delivery was super quick :eek:
 
#15 ·
John-H said:
Group Buy of Mintex Xtreme pads and Brembo and Zimmerman OEM spec discs

I've sourced OEM spec standard discs from GSF who already give the TT Owners Club a 10% discount. These discs are to the same dimensional drawings etc. as the Audi parts but they are a lot cheaper :) . They are also not drilled or grooved like many aftermarket discs, so you don't loose metal and thermal mass and therefore, in comparison, have a reduced rate of temperature rise under heavy braking with corresponding lower peak temperatures. Discs loose heat at the same rate, as that's down to the surface area, so it's more important to reduce the temperature rise. That's why your brakes fade when your discs get thin :wink: . Not having grooves and drillings also means you don't have excess noise and pad wear and you reduce the risk of cracking at these stresspoint features.

Modern pads don't tend to gas as much at extreme temperatures, unlike previous technology, so there is litle advantage in perforating your discs. Improved initial bite can be found by using better pads. Really the only proper way to upgrade the discs is to fit larger discs and calipers at some considerable expense. Fortunately performance can be improved somewhat by a pad change.

The discs here are byBrembo and Zimmerman with the Brembos being painted on the edges to reduce rust in the non swept area. Both Brembo and Zimmerman are highly respected and both of very high quality used in original manufacture.

The pads are the high performance Mintex Xtreme with a higher temperature rating and reduced dust compared to the standard Audi pads but also cheaper :wink: . There have been good reports about the Mintex Xtreme pads. I've used them aggressively on the track at Donnington and although I had problems with boiling brake fluid (my own fault for not changing the fluid :oops: ) the pads and discs survived fine and are still giving excellent road stopping performance.

These unadulterated discs (no drillings or grooves) and uprated pads (higher temperature) will, I believe, give you amongst the best available braking performance with the existing standard size discs .

These are the parts for a 225 TT with vented rear discs:

The Brembo OEM spec front vented disc 315mm GSF #: 60192, Brembo #:
09.7880.11 Audi #: 8N0 615 301A
GB Price = £30.00 + VAT (each)
x2 ....... = £70.50 inc VAT

Front pads Mintex Xtreme MDB2041X GSF# TTMDB2041X
GB Price = £37.39 + VAT (set)
x1 ....... = £43.93 inc VAT

Rear Zimmerman vented OEM spec disc 256mm GSF #: 62428, Zimmerman #:
100 1241 00, Audi #: 8N0 615 601 B
GB Price = £21.00 + VAT (each)
x2 ....... = £49.35 inc VAT

Rear Mintex Xtreme pads MDB1377X GSF #:TTMDB1377X
GB Price = £20.00 + VAT (set)
x1 ....... = £23.50 inc VAT


Total = £187.28 inclusive of VAT. - Standard Retail = £248.53 saving ~ £61.25 or ~25%

Note: Unfortunately delivery charges have had to be applied due to carrier tarriff changes: >25kg £16, <25kg £8 or less - confirm when ordering.


In addion, newly introduced, we now have front brake parts for the 3.2 V6 TT at a huge saving over Audi prices:

Left front vented disc 3.2 V6 TT - 334x32mm Audi: 8N0 615 301 B GSF: 601VG0450
GB Price = £89 + VAT (Audi = £294.64)
x1

Right front vented disc 3.2 V6 TT - 334x32mm Audi: 8N0 615 301 B GSF: 601VG0460
GB Price = £89 + VAT (Audi = £294.64)
x1

3.2 V6 TT Front Pads TEXTAR GSF: B64050B
GB Price = £35 + VAT (set) (Audi = £67.16)
x1


TEXTAR are part of the TMD friction goup as are Mintex. The pads are standard OE supply for Audi - http://www.textar.com/. Mintex standard pads MDB1746 are also available on request.

N.B. 3.2 V6 TT front pads are not yet available in Mintex Xtreme. The rears are the same as the 225 so are available.

You can order any combination of pads or discs - just add them up. The prices will be as listed above. Other marques can be catered for too, so it's worth asking to see what's available.

If you are interested and want to take part then please PM :!: me with the following details:


* Forum ID:

* Name

* Address and postcode (or delivery address if different)

* Telephone number

* What you want e.g. Discs + Pads all round for TTR 225 Quattro
This is mainly for identification purposes and avoiding mistakes - I'll pass your details on to GSF who will get in touch and take your order over the phone.

Any questions, or for fitting advice, then please post here on this thread :) .

Note: It's important to clean and degrease the caliper contact faces with methylated spirit so that the double sided sticky pad film bonds the pad back plate to the caliper properly. The film acts as an antisqueel shim and is the same as standard Audi pads. Fitting details can be supplied if needed - just ask :)

Reference of standard Audi parts and prices from ETKA:

8N0 615 301 A - 312x25mm vented front disc (all except V6) Audi = £129.34

8N0 615 301 B - 334x32mm left front vented disc V6 Audi = £294.64
8N0 615 302 B - 334x32mm right front vented disc V6 Audi = £294.64

8N0 615 601 B - 256x22mm vented rear disc Quattro Audi = £73.89
1J0 615 601 D - 239x9mm solid rear disc Quattro Audi = £38.86

1J0 615 601 - - 232x9mm solid rear disc FWD Audi = £38.86

1J0 698 151 M - Pads for 312x25mm front vented disc Audi = £64.10
4B0 698 451 - - Pads for 256x22mm rear disc Audi = £67.16
8N0 698 151 D - Pads for 334x32mm V6 Audi = £284.20
PM'd you :)
 
#16 ·
bought my pads today and im getting my discs on the 23rd so ill keep you guys posted :wink:
 
#17 ·
Is this set-up better than OEM as I'd like to improve my brakes after my remap. Also are there any pictures of the discs in question because I like the look of cross-drilled/grooved discs. :)
 
#18 ·
Naresh said:
Is this set-up better than OEM as I'd like to improve my brakes after my remap. Also are there any pictures of the discs in question because I like the look of cross-drilled/grooved discs. :)
See John's first post where he explains they are solid etc
 
#19 ·
ok, so...... sorry for being a complete numpty, but.........

For £187 plus P&P i get a complete set of pads and discs for my car AND they will fit directly on to my 225 without having to alter or modify anything?

Told you i was a numpty! :oops:

(im better with law :? )
 
#20 ·
#21 ·
excellent, will be geting a set once i get paid then............

May even have a go at fitting them myself and painting my brakes red at the same time................
 
#24 ·
John - can the parts be bought at these prices at any branch to avoid the delivery charges?
 
#25 ·
As it says at the start:
Total = £187.28 inclusive of VAT. - Standard Retail = £248.53 saving ~ £61.25 or ~25%
That's standard GSF retail prices, so you're getting a 25% reduction over the standard deal at GSF.
 
#26 ·
i got mine the next day and they are great, definatly better that the oem setup :wink:

thanks again john :)
 
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