The 3 weeks arguing demanding the whole country should be in lockdown.. meant the whole country went into lockdown.

But why is he never interviewed anymore? He was on 10 time a day before.. now is he in hiding?

I know two people now who have sadly died from covid a 72 year old 'auntie' (parent's neighbour from 1960s) who was given 2 months to live 2 years ago with pulmonary fibrosis - using hair spray in the 60s and 70s apparently)
And another 72 year old 'auntie' with severe dementia in a care home for the last 4 years, died last week.. its really crazy - dementia isn't just forgetting names and being reminded its time for dinner.. your brain actually forgets reflex and conditioned responses too.. a bit like heavy duty painkillers like oxycodone can make you forget to breath..

My wife still hasn't had her 6 monthly Papworth checkup, that was due 8 months ago. But chaperones are not allowed at the appointment, and with the new building, if you can walk from the front door to the initial reception you probably don't need an appointment and if you can walk the extra 200 metres to the day appointments, you almost certainly don't need their help anymore.

All quite scandalous with a lack of planning despite long-standing warnings that a pandemic was the biggest threat, that we were so run down on PPE stocks but now confirmed by the National Audit Office that it cannot sign off on £18 billion of government PPE contacts because of a lack of transparency, lack of documentation and illegal delay in publication of details. It reveals discovery of a fast track lane for contracts approved directly by ministers which meant you were 10 times more likely to end up with a contract. The process was described as "chaotic" with huge range of prices paid and many companies red flagged such as PestFix awarded £350 million of contracts with only three staff working on PPE and Ayanda Capital who work with government advisor Andrew Mills awarded £250 million for face masks describing itself as an investment firm. Contracts placed with unlikely companies with offshore links to government ministers and party members. Now we know the explanation for why established British PPE manufactures had their offers to supply turned down. It's called corruption.

Channel 4 news report:
https://youtu.be/Yukl2qUX-FM

Don't worry about it. Nothing will come from this.

I dream so much that this epidemic will end as soon as possible.

for 95% of the human race, covid never really arrived - watch some of the episodes of "Ancient Aliens" and you will soon understand the real origin of Coronavirus https://hdclump.com/ancient-aliens-alie ... epidemics/ <-- everyday is a learning day.

conspiracy / mis-information / social media related to Anti-Vaccers
some 30 (can't guarantee the number was 30 ) expert virologists across Europe created a collation of individual scientific results from a variety masks and impacts in different environments, and driven factually by the UK infection Head Office in Oxford - I was supposed to go there after Addenbrookes poisoned me into renal failure trying to get rid of Antibiotic Resistant Hospital Infection Pseudomonas Osteomyelitis - they managed to give me after fitting an ORIF for a spiral fracture of the distal third and tibia plateau "obliteration" - when a people carrier pulled into me. to be fair there were more than 30 bits, some crushed some twisted, some yanked and after about 10 different anti-biotics and 4 months, the "Black Wednesday" (mid august junior doctor swap over) no-one checked my bloods <-- digression I suppose but in any case when this report was uploaded to the Oxford university hospital Facebook account it was deleted and was replaced with a fact checker comment <-- or whatever.

but this does lead to the point that is - if any anti-vaccination comment is put on social media and deleted and people are arrested and fined (if Kier Starma gets his own way) people will think they being silenced because its true.

This conversation on the Radio led to the people complaining this hasn't been properly tested yet, and the presenter said but it will be safe though wont it, so it is just jumping a step in the queue. The "Free Speech" guy on the Radio pointed out that Swine-Flu vaccine was fast-tracked and deemed safe then a couple / few years later they realised that it has caused narcalepsy so the vaccine was given in 2009 and I am unsure whether they took 3 or 4 years to discover and admit the link. I think they have been compensating anyone suffering £120K

The risk was about one in 52,000 and one in 52,750 and much smaller than the risk of swine flu which it was protecting against. The fact that this particular vaccine was withdrawn because of this small observed risk is indicative of the safety standards employed.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/swin ... ery-small/

How do you feel about the Oxford Vaccine 70% effective with 2 doses. although if you have a 1/2 dose then a full dose it is 90% effective?

When the lead scientist was asked why it was more effective with a half dose first? He didn't know... but still submitting it for safety checks.


Still refusing to give under 18s a vaccine is interesting isn't it? I want to know whether the example of giving children a vaccine had the opposite effect when they caught the illness, is related or whether there is a complication surrounding consent ?

Let's face it... we ask want a vaccine but who really wants to be the 1st

I also want to know which vaccine Russia created, being they apparently stole details for both the RNA (or whatever) and the traditional modified virus distribution. If I can advise any decent Amazon Prime show #TheAmericans is great..

When my fellow apprentices at BAe (after my departure), accidently let a Terminate Stay Resident program we mucking about with - spread across the Stevenage Networks.. finding devices and disks etc.. they simply created another virus to spread the anti-dote. So if the Oxford Vaccine is in another actual virus, why is that not trans-missed in the same way?

Still not clear from any of these viruses whether it is still caught and spread and the effects are simply suppressed? As it can be spread before symptoms, maybe it will simply circulate and eventually kill everyone who has not been injected.

The news this morning that the AstraZeneca vaccine large scale trial has reported 62% and 90% effectiveness depending on dosage regime - the combined result being reported as 70.2%. The better result resulting from a lower dose followed by a higher dose - it being suggested that the lower dose primes the immune system and the larger dose then created a better immune response. Apparently nobody who received the vaccine went on to develop COVID-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... university

This is I believe the biggest trial and also the only one to do follow up testing to determine infectiveness - the early indications of which suggests it stops the spread. It also generates an immune response in the elderly.

The vaccines are being prioritised for vulnerable groups such as front line workers and the elderly split into age groups. It's not being prioritised for younger groups because the risk of the virus is less. The risk doubles with every six years of age so a 60 year old is 32 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than a 30 year old.

There were a lot of volunteers on this trial who thought it would help humanity to participate - all age groups too.

And then there's the latest Swiss "final" solution -

"Doctors in Switzerland have called for people who are vulnerable to corona virus complications to sign 'do not resuscitate orders'. The move is part of efforts to ease pressure on Swiss intensive care units. The measure includes people who are over 60 and those with heart disease or diabetes. Such groups are being asked to sign end-of-life 'do not resuscitate' directions to ease pressure on intensive care units."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rland.html

But the Swiss also have legal assisted suicide, so is anyone surprised?

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200825/euthan ... know-about

In the Third Man Orson Wells said, "In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

It's all not true of course because the cuckoo clock was German invented in the Black Forrest and there's not much brotherly love with that policy but somehow it seemed appropriate.

John-H wrote:they had brotherly love

Did not realise this particular trait about the Swiss, and for 500 years' too. Perhaps Swiss can explain

Just a few of Switzerland's darker social secrets. It's not all scenic views, chocolate and cheese over here.

In 1880, in an effort to rid the country of the lowest classes, Swiss authorities handed one-way tickets to over 80,000 of their poorest citizens and shipped them to the US.

In a practice that lasted until 1981, tens of thousands of children and teenagers were forcibly removed from their families. Unmarried teenage mothers and dropouts could be detained without trial or interned in psychiatric hospitals right up until the 1980s. The authorities sometimes even decreed that the adults should be castrated or sterilized and forced to hand their children over for adoption.

Some 60,000 people considered "deviant" by the Swiss authorities were locked up over the course of the 20th century. The practice peaked in Switzerland in the 1930s but was still legal as late as 1981.

From the 1920s until the 1970s, the Swiss government had a semi-official policy of institutionalizing Yenish parents and having their children adopted by members of the sedentary Swiss population. 590 children were taken from their parents and institutionalized in orphanages, mental institutions, and even prisons. Child removals peaked in the 1930s to 1940s, in the years leading up to and during World War II. The program was discontinued in 1973.

Interesting fun fact, Swiss women were only given the right to vote in 1971, however It took another 20 years until the last canton, Appenzell Innerrhoden, extended local voting rights to women.

One has to ask if it was a coincidence that these horrific social practices only stopped after women could vote.

@John-H - "The cuckoo clock"

@SJP - So after all those years of social cleansing, did it actually made any difference to the quality of Swiss society? Can't believe how backwards their thinking was even into the later 1900s.

Mind you I shouldn't be surprised that their state policies were severely flawed, even their cheese is full of holes

"We're from the Government and we're here to help."

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