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Looks like i'm hitting a brick wall with a couple of Applications i could really do to retain on my new MacBook?

I've no experience of this product but it appears to allow any Application that needs/runs in a Windows environment to be used on a Mac & provide full functionality in the Mac environment.

Does seem a little too good to be true, but as a Mac novice perhaps it's as straight forward as it sounds.

Only got 2 products i can think of that i could do with using & that's Samsung Kies (to sync my Galaxy SIII) & Roxio Media Creator Pro 2012. May be a couple of others but these are the main 2.

Any experience/advice? TIA.
 

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Not used Parallels but I have used VMWare Fusion which is excellent. Seamless integration in the Mac environment and allows you to effortlessly switch between Mac and Windows as well as copy files between the two. They both use a lot of memory so I hoped you specced your machine well [smiley=book2.gif] .
 

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Parallels is brilliant. It runs Windows faster than many Windows machines... :lol:
 

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I run parallels, running windows 7 and it is spot on. I run kies from my mac though. Have you looked to see if Roxio do a mac version? If not then it should run fine in parallels.
 

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Cheers.

So here is my stupid question, do you need Parallels desktop as well as a stand alone copy of Windows 7? If this is the case then what's the point of Parallels as may as well just dual boot with Windows 7?

Roxio do Mac versions, however i've got the Windows variants & refuse to pay for the same software twice. Could always fire an email to support & see if they'd let me have a Mac version of Creator Pro 2012.
 

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Cheers.

So here is my stupid question, do you need Parallels desktop as well as a stand alone copy of Windows 7? If this is the case then what's the point of Parallels as may as well just dual boot with Windows 7?

Roxio do Mac versions, however i've got the Windows variants & refuse to pay for the same software twice. Could always fire an email to support & see if they'd let me have a Mac version of Creator Pro 2012.
Parallels lets you run a virtual machine, so you can install and run other OSes (not just Windows) in a window. So, you do need a license (or cracked version if that's how you like to roll) for each OS you plan on running in there. It's not a Windows emulator.

The reason it's better than dual booting is that you can quickly switch to a Windows app without rebooting your machine. If you were planning on using Windows for extended periods of time (rather than just ducking into one app occasionally), I'd suggest just dual booting.
 

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So just spotted Boot Camp on my Macbook & that appears to provide Dual Boot functionality.

Is this not a better method than using a 3rd party product such as Parallels? Appears i just hit ctrl on during boot up & i can then run the Macbook in native Windows 7.
 

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So just spotted Boot Camp on my Macbook & that appears to provide Dual Boot functionality.

Is this not a better method than using a 3rd party product such as Parallels? Appears i just hit ctrl on during boot up & i can then run the Macbook in native Windows 7.
As above.. Parallels (or VMware) lets you quickly run a non native app without rebooting to a different OS (and all the hassle that involves - saving all your docs, etc). If you don't care about that, then just dual boot.
 

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So just spotted Boot Camp on my Macbook & that appears to provide Dual Boot functionality.

Is this not a better method than using a 3rd party product such as Parallels? Appears i just hit ctrl on during boot up & i can then run the Macbook in native Windows 7.
If you plan on flicking back and forth from Windows apps to Mac apps then Parallels is a godsend because you can swap operating systems at the click of a mouse.

Boot Camp is okay except you have to allocate a portion of your hard drive to act as a Windows partition and whenever you use it you have to reboot into it. Quite honestly as you've blown a small fortune on a new Retina MBP then I would've thought another £60/70 for Parallels is a drop in the ocean! :wink:

I guarantee you will use Parallels more than you think. I chop and change all day long when I'm faffing about with audio files. :lol:
 

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Cheers. Is it possible to go the Bootcamp route & then if that proves annoying undo that & install Parallels?

Got the 512SSD, so more than enough space to allocate a 40GB Windows partition. Ordered a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit today. Don't want to mess about as would like to have this new machine fully set-up by tomorrow night.

What's the process of switching between O/S with Parallels installed? I know with Bootcamp it's a re-boot to swap, but isn't having 2 dedicated O/S's better/safer than running 2 side by side?
 

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Cheers. Is it possible to go the Bootcamp route & then if that proves annoying undo that & install Parallels?

Got the 512SSD, so more than enough space to allocate a 40GB Windows partition. Ordered a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit today. Don't want to mess about as would like to have this new machine fully set-up by tomorrow night.

What's the process of switching between O/S with Parallels installed? I know with Bootcamp it's a re-boot to swap, but isn't having 2 dedicated O/S's better/safer than running 2 side by side?
It is possible to backstep from the Bootcamp option but as you can download Parallels from their website why bother? To switch from Mac OS to Windows in Parallels is akin to switching from one tab to another in your browser - it's that instant! :)
 

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Cheers Rich. Taken your advice & ordered Parallels :) Clinched as i need to use Microsoft Dynamics CRM & it won't work on Safari or have an add-in for Outlook Mac, so after investigating that i was told the solution is Parallels.

Should arrive with Windows 7 delivery tomorrow.
 

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Cheers Rich. Taken your advice & ordered Parallels :) Clinched as i need to use Microsoft Dynamics CRM & it won't work on Safari or have an add-in for Outlook Mac, so after investigating that i was told the solution is Parallels.

Should arrive with Windows 7 delivery tomorrow.
Great! I'm sure you'll be delighted with it. :D
 

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Oh the trials of n00bs who switch to a Mac on the promise of a better computing experience, only to find stuff they REALLY rely on (for work, for example) simply doesn't work, so they still have to pay for, manage and retain a copy of Windows.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel your pain, Paul, really I do. :roll:
 

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Oh the trials of n00bs who switch to a Mac on the promise of a better computing experience, only to find stuff they REALLY rely on (for work, for example) simply doesn't work, so they still have to pay for, manage and retain a copy of Windows.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel your pain, Paul, really I do. :roll:
So what doesn't work?
 

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jampott said:
Oh the trials of n00bs who switch to a Mac on the promise of a better computing experience, only to find stuff they REALLY rely on (for work, for example) simply doesn't work, so they still have to pay for, manage and retain a copy of Windows.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel your pain, Paul, really I do. :roll:
So what doesn't work?
Is your reading comprehension that bad?

"Microsoft Dynamics CRM & it won't work on Safari or have an add-in for Outlook Mac"

Granted, Paul doesn't state whether it works on any other Mac-installable browser, but my experiences with some of Microsoft's more "Corporate" software is such that they do actually need a fairly recent version of IE to use all the features and functions properly.

Sharepoint, for example, will work on Firefox on a PC - you can browse and download without a problem - but the slightly more advanced features with Document Check Out / Check In do not work (properly) on Firefox. At least not the implementation I'm using.

Whilst most software does have a Mac "equivalent", sometimes it is only that - and not a fully functioning direct port.

*THE* single biggest reason that more people don't switch to a Mac. I did consider the Retina Display MacBook myself on launch - indeed, if they'd had stock, I was close to handing over my wallet and walking out with one. But it would still have needed to either Dual Boot or run Parallels - and therefore pay for, maintain, update and keep secure, a copy of Windows. When the whole point, surely, of opting for a MacBook is to do away with Windows!
 

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jampott said:
rustyintegrale said:
jampott said:
Oh the trials of n00bs who switch to a Mac on the promise of a better computing experience, only to find stuff they REALLY rely on (for work, for example) simply doesn't work, so they still have to pay for, manage and retain a copy of Windows.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel your pain, Paul, really I do. :roll:
So what doesn't work?
Is your reading comprehension that bad?
No but yours plainly is... :roll:

He has access to all the software he needs for work on his Mac. He already owns Windows and presumably licensed copies of the programs he needs for work. All he needs to do is invest £70ish in software for the Mac (Parallels) that will allow his Windows software to run in a familiar environment. He can then install the software he already owns to then run it all on the Mac.

He doesn't need to reboot to run any of it. He can flick from Windows to Mac or vice-versa. He can use any Window app just like he would a Mac app. He can even run his Windows apps in a Mac environment if he so wishes. The Mac will do it all without complaint and without driver issues. It will share the network configuration without setting up and the tools contained within Parallels will enable him to continue his work seamlessly whether he chooses to do it in Mac mode or Windows mode.

To blame Apple for the fact that software developers choose not to develop specialist software versions for Mac is a bit extreme. What Apple have done is made it very simple for Windows users to switch to Mac and continue working. I should imagine if I was to migrate to a similar Windows only environment I might encounter issues running my Mac only software.

But then I'd never consider it. Why would I need to? I can run all my Windows software alongside my Mac software already.
 

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Did end up being a real frustration & what pissed me off the most is how some Apple/Microsoft combo's work perfectly & in fact even better in Mac land, others are prohibitive.

Got Parallels for £55 & £75 for a clean install Windows 7 Home Premium (only had pre-installed OEM on the machines i sold). Was £130 i hadn't expected to need to pay, but in the grand scheme it's offering up a better overall experience so happy as a pig in sh1t.

That said, the machine is now set up perfectly & i've now got Parallels 8 running Windows 7 (upgrade to Win 8 when out) for the 2 applications that require Windows, that being Dynamics CRM & Samsung Kies. Had a licensed Office 2010 Pro (Windows) so installed that in the Windows VM & now running my Work email on both Outlooks, but on the Windows Outlook i have the Dynamics CRM add-in.

Very happy so far & although it's taken longer than expected to get set-up, all's perfect now :p
 

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Very happy so far & although it's taken longer than expected to get set-up, all's perfect now :p
That's cool. The first time you do it always takes longer because it's a bit of a learning curve. It will only get easier... :wink:
 

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He has access to all the software he needs for work on his Mac. He already owns Windows and presumably licensed copies of the programs he needs for work. All he needs to do is invest £70ish in software for the Mac (Parallels) that will allow his Windows software to run in a familiar environment. He can then install the software he already owns to then run it all on the Mac.
No, he needed to spend an extra £130 - to purchase Windows and Parallels.

He doesn't need to reboot to run any of it. He can flick from Windows to Mac or vice-versa. He can use any Window app just like he would a Mac app. He can even run his Windows apps in a Mac environment if he so wishes. The Mac will do it all without complaint and without driver issues. It will share the network configuration without setting up and the tools contained within Parallels will enable him to continue his work seamlessly whether he chooses to do it in Mac mode or Windows mode.
Yes. My point was that you STILL HAVE TO KEEP A WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT. You aren't running the software directly on the Mac OS. So that means an extra OS license, not to mention the ££ spent on Parallels too. And then that version of Windows needs updating / keeping secure, just like a Windows PC would. So Paul's shiny new laptop has 2 lots of "upkeep overheads" now - keeping on top of Windows updates and anything the Mac requires.

Also, running Outlook on both Mac and Windows means it'll need to download emails twice. :lol: :roll:

To blame Apple for the fact that software developers choose not to develop specialist software versions for Mac is a bit extreme. What Apple have done is made it very simple for Windows users to switch to Mac and continue working. I should imagine if I was to migrate to a similar Windows only environment I might encounter issues running my Mac only software.

But then I'd never consider it. Why would I need to? I can run all my Windows software alongside my Mac software already.
Who's blaming Apple? Eh? I didn't say that. Nobody is blaming anybody... I was merely pointing out that because people simply cannot install critical Windows applications onto Mac OS and, instead, have to faff around with Parallels, with keeping a version of Windows, and everything that goes along with that (see above) then it hinders people from switching.

I actually think the new MacBook is awesome. The difficulty is in migrating onto it. Not Apple's problem. Just their headache. Letting users install Windows on the MacBook and run it in its own "window" sounds great, but it is far from ideal and does have a raft of compromises. Microsoft has precious little need to help anyone migrate the other way. Indeed, it is broadly recognised that a Mac will outperform most Windows PCs for a number of specialist / niche applications - so there's no pretence of offering Windows as an alternative, with an easy migration path.

So yes... your reading comprehension is pretty shitty.

I'm pleased for Paul that he has a "perfect" setup but it has come at increased cost and much frustration, and ends up probably a more compromised solution than opting for a nice Win 8 laptop. :lol:

But he's a fanboi and moving to Apple is what he wanted to achieve, so hats off to him!
 
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