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After a huge delay and diversion from Munich last night I eventually landed at Brum international airport.

2am drive home to Ely, Cambs so I took it easy and did not venture over 80.

M6 just around Corley services I noticed a Focus tailing a new 10 plate Golf GTI. Eventually the Focus pulled into the fast lane and accelerated, next min blue lights flashing all over the Golf and he was pulled!!

Entrapment or what?

Be careful late at night on the M6! [smiley=bigcry.gif]
 

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in leamington spa theyre cruising around in a very nice black r32. sounds the muts nuts!!!!
 

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I wonder if I got it wrong and it was an R32 I saw !!!
Bet you it was thinking about it. Twin pipes in the middle???
 

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In the middle is R32.

That's the risk of flooring it. Police hide all over the place these days. I'm very warying of accelerating at all if other cars are about. Smooth and steady, avoids attention. The fuzz won't tug you for being sensible even if you're going a little over the limit (cameras on the other hand).

The best under cover car I saw was a Mk3 or 4 (can't remember now) Golf in dark blue, and covered in dust and dirt. Just another car on the road, but a closer look revealed lights under the grille and a chappy in a uniform inside.

But I agree, driving around in an unmarked R32 does seem a little like they are baiting. Sure traffic cops need fast cars, but they must know a R32 is going to attract attention.
 

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How strange. Are we suggesting here that the police shouldn't use high powered, unmarked vehicles becuase it tempts people to want to race them? And so, because incitement to an offence is an offence itself, are we TT drivers all guilty simply because we choose to drive a car that other idiots might want to try and have a race with?

Look, the police don't use unmarked cars simply to catch out motorists. Most units with unmarked cars are in fact concentrating on catching criminals. You see, criminals do drive cars, you know? And people who have a tendancy to disregard the law will do that with all law. In other words, if they're not arsed about burgling your house they're not going to be all that bothered about speed limits and other traffic law. However, their natural sense of self-preservation will mean they will be careful whenever they see the police around - but not otherwise.

Therefore the use of unmarked cars is actually an increadibly powerful tool for catching criminals. It's so easy it's almost like shelling peas. You simply drive around on major arterial routes and wait for some idiot to drive past you like a dick. Sometimes it is just someone driving like a dick, but far more frequently it turns out to be a shitbag, who not only hasn't got any insurance or anything else for the car but is also circulated as wanted and has got a load of stolen gear in the boot from a burglary they did half an hour ago.

So yes it's sneaky, but it's not really aimed at you the motorist. Okay, if you hammer up the motorway at 100mph then you're going to get caught up in it, but hey - who's fault is that?

The problem is, you're all so obsessed with this idea that the police are just out to target you that you never seem to take time to consider that actually we're doing something else altogether different - but in truth you really aren't of as much interest to us as you seem to like to think you are.
 

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A lad at work was telling me there used to be a battered old Escort van with a tuned engine going round Newcastle basically trapping people... but like Mark says, if you're willing to race other cars or drive in a particular manner then you have to be ready to accept the consequences!!

And I've been stopped a few times in my 8 years of driving!!!
 

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I have to say that I agree with Mark.

Even if the people they tug are not hardened crims, do we really want the sort of driver on the roads who is up for a race with every quick car they see?

These are the sort of drivers who do cause bad accidents and involve the innocent in their stupidity.

However, it would b nice to see the Police in town more often, targeting the fools who pull out in front of you on roundabouts etc. This would be an easy target for them as pretty much every time I'm at a roundabout it happens to me even though I position myself in the correct lane and always signal :?

I have had some very close calls and had to brake hard to avoid someone at the last moment.

Side roads aren't as bad but I did encounter a guy who pulled out of a side road without checking the traffic coming towards me from the opposite direction so he pulled out then stopped across my path to wait for the car on the opposite side of the road to me. This was whilst I was doing 60 on the main road (yes it had a 60 limit :wink: ). I braked as hard as I could and since he was only 20-25 feet ahead of me I could not slow from 60 in that short space so had a split second decision to make ......do I hit him square on or drive behind him (possibly clipping his rear) and into the high granite bank behind him at the side of the road he was exiting.

Self preservation kicked in and I hit him straight in the side of his car at around 40mph with my brakes all locked up and bracing myself for impact.

My peugeot 405 was a mess but not very old and was repaired, the claim came to a massive £10k!
So you see, fools like that push up our premiums too and they need policing as that kind of stupidity is even more prevalent today than it was when I had that smash.
 

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Personally think common sense needs to be employed.... and the speed limits are in some instances massivly outdated....

if motorwars years ago were 70MPH... what was the stopping distance of a average car????
fast forward to today and you'll find with ABS ect that it's probably a third of what it was then... now i'm not saying tripple the speed limit.... but for me 70 on a motorway is massivly under... when you consider no one cares less about a national road with blind corners and could be faced with a tractor or someone pulling out.....

seems like some roads they love to clamp on and others (for example the roads up rivington) that are just left at speeds that even in a 4wheel drive TT you'd be bonkers to try and drive it in......

SO abit of continuity would be good....

from the police and also the highways... afterall motorways are apparently safest roads.... so where's PC plod when that young chump in a Nova isn't speeding (because it's national) loses it on a corner and kills 3 of his mates???? where's the speed limit.... where's the sense????????????????????
 
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Must be frustrating for you Mark if what I have seen on TV police programmes are to be taken as generally applicable. You chase them, risk life and limb and expensive cars, catch them, haul them back to the local nick, book 'em in, possibly they get prosecuted then let off with a light sentence of community service or something because the gaols are all full...

Sadly, some law abiders will get pulled as collateral damage I presume. You gotta take that on the chin, but easy to think you're being targeted unfairly.

Doug
 

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A mate of mine used to work in a petrol station and he has seen the same Ford Focus RS turn up on numerous occasions which is driven by the police, in uniform not like plain clothes! Worst thing is chances are we paid for the f***er!!
 

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up and down from manchester to norwich ive seen some pretty strange police cars, last week i saw a marked subaru impreza STI, and a brand new focus RS also a marked car, in terms on unmarked the only one ive spotted is a blue 335 unmarked patroling the M6 toll road.
 

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There is a difference between unmarked performance vehicles, and unmarked boy-racer cars. Stereotypically, "boy-racer" cars, will attract boy-racers. I really doubt the Police officers involved in the procurement of said vehicle was unaware of this point.

This does not mean that I am defending anybody for racing, serves them right imo. And honestly, if I was a copper, and I could get away with it, I would purchase a car to bait nobs. But I'm sly like that.
 

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Really not sure why you'd class an R32 as a boy racer's car. It's certainly more discrete than an Impreza, which for some time has been the pursuit vehicle of choice for many forces - both liveried and unmarked. They seem to be getting ditched of late and I suspect that's down to the high running costs and a growing reluctance amongst senior officers for us to pursue anything anyway.

The RS is a bit of a surprise. No doubt it's a lot cheaper to run than a Scooby but I would have thought its reputation for being a bit of a handful would have put most forces off. But then, it could just be on trial. We very often get all sorts of cars that the manufacturers will supply to us fully liveried to take out on test for a couple of months. Most pursuit specialists tend to prefer something four wheel or real wheel drive, so I wouldn't have thought the RS would figure high on their wish-list.
 

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I had a copper baiting me on the Runcorn bridge one morning in a BMW, I just noticed his uniform and then looked at the grill and saw the lights. I though you crafty git you where well trying to get me to toe it, so I pulled in and let him go and annoy some other unsuspecting sod. :p
 

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I very much agree with Mark but what I saw was baiting.
The focus was doing little over 80 and the RS32 was pushing him to go that little bit quicker so he could pull him.
He was probably dying for me to be doing over 80 as I have a lowered TT with 19inch wheels and a shiny Milltek on the back!!!

It is a shame though, a little race here and there does not harm anyone as long as you drive sensibly and not like a 19yr old nutjob in a Seat !! :p
 

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goose_moose said:
I very much agree with Mark but what I saw was baiting.
The focus was doing little over 80 and the RS32 was pushing him to go that little bit quicker so he could pull him.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were spot on about that, and I agree it's a bit naughty. I wouldn't do it.

But then, nobody put a gun to the other guy's head and made him race them.
 

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Drive safe -- arrive alive.

If you do the crime -- do the time (or pay the fine)

Tickets suck -- I have had a few -- but they are a deterant. I frankly don't want ot mix it up on the motorways with a bunch of speeding amatuers whose skills and equipment are questionable.

JIM
 

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one thing i have had enough off tho is coppers speeding......unmarked or not....if your not in an emergency then they should stick to 70 surely? bit off a piss take the amount of marked cop cars iv seen cruising at 80-85 in the fast lane....saw one the other day going through a 50mph roadworks zone on the m25 at about 65....obviously im not saying i stick to the limit...but i also dont go handing round tickets to other people who do.
 

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one thing i have had enough off tho is coppers speeding......unmarked or not....if your not in an emergency then they should stick to 70 surely? bit off a piss take the amount of marked cop cars iv seen cruising at 80-85 in the fast lane....saw one the other day going through a 50mph roadworks zone on the m25 at about 65....obviously im not saying i stick to the limit...but i also dont go handing round tickets to other people who do.
How do you know they're not going to an emergency?

I've said this here before - blue lights and sirens are an aid to negotiating traffic. It is neither necessary nor compulsory to have them on when making your way to an emergency. Indeed there are many circumstances when having them on is counter-productive or even dangerous, so just because you see a police car exceeding the speed limit without them on doesn't mean they are taking the piss.

In fact, on motorways you will see marked vehicles tend to travel at about 60mph. This allows for cars to overtake and so prevents a large build-up of traffic behind the police car as you'd get if they were doing 70mph. So, if you see them doing 80mph+ you can be almost certain they are on their way to something.

Sadly though, people's ignorance of police work, what it involves and how it is done leads far too many to voice criticism where it isn't deserved.
 
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