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#1 ·
TTS Competition 2014.

The fact a 2014 car has this sort of problem boggles my mind.

So the Audi Navigation Plus allows you to connect a phone for calls via Bluetooth but not to play media. Sensible.

First I bought an SD card, put some music on it and opted to use the slots behind the ANP screen. "Data corrupted"... data was fine. Couldn't get the damn thing out either, I was there with tweezers for half an hour as the edges of the SD card cradle gradually deteriorated. Succeeded eventually.

Then I came across videos and tutorials for putting this behind the head unit:


However, the wires for this 2014 TT are different to those in the tutorials. So I had to use some guesswork. Cut into wires, attached and nothing. Removed it because there was talk of battery drain and I couldn't risk that. Ever since I've had airbag warning light on dash. More expense to get fixed.


Then I bought this:


Another option becomes available in media sources (External audio source). But on scanning Android nothing new comes up on my phone.

Autosounds don't want to know. Happy to sell me a subwoofer, but won't get involved with this nonsense.

Specialist said they'd look at it, but has to be a week day (day off work) and they'd charge 82 quid just to touch the keys never mind anything else.

Please guide me on foxing this it's making my life more shit.
 
#2 ·
First I bought an SD card, put some music on it and opted to use the slots behind the ANP screen. "Data corrupted"... data was fine. Couldn't get the damn thing out either, I was there with tweezers for half an hour as the edges of the SD card cradle gradually deteriorated. Succeeded eventually.
you know it's spring-loaded, right?

However, the wires for this 2014 TT are different to those in the tutorials. So I had to use some guesswork. Cut into wires, attached and nothing. Removed it because there was talk of battery drain and I couldn't risk that. Ever since I've had airbag warning light on dash. More expense to get fixed.
your 2014 is a MK2 TT with RNS-E navigation unit? If so, that adapter is the correct one, and should have worked as long as power and ground were connected properly. Your disconnecting of the passenger airbag warning light likely triggered the dash warning. Easily cleared with VCDS/OBD-11 or similar.

Then I bought this:
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Another option becomes available in media sources (External audio source). But on scanning Android nothing new comes up on my phone.
I don't believe the AMI on the MK2 provides power when in AUX mode; that adapter is only for use with newer MMI units.
 
#3 ·
you know it's spring-loaded, right?


your 2014 is a MK2 TT with RNS-E navigation unit? If so, that adapter is the correct one, and should have worked as long as power and ground were connected properly. Your disconnecting of the passenger airbag warning light likely triggered the dash warning. Easily cleared with VCDS/OBD-11 or similar.



I don't believe the AMI on the MK2 provides power when in AUX mode; that adapter is only for use with newer MMI units.

Re: Spring loaded? You mean l, once in, you push it in a second time to get it to pop out. Tried that. Both slots wouldn't cooperate.


So this second option might still work? The code on the wire map was the same, but my wires were different colours to theirs. Was less of them too. If I take a photo of everything do you reckon you'd be able to confirm which wires need to be tampered with Matt?

Thank you.
 
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TTS Competition 2014.

The fact a 2014 car has this sort of problem boggles my mind.

So the Audi Navigation Plus allows you to connect a phone for calls via Bluetooth but not to play media. Sensible.
This is because the base car was designed in like (CY) 2005 and has electronics as such. The BT is something they never upgraded even in facelift, meaning it has the old-skool Audi nonsense of no A2DP with BT, right out until MY14 (MY15 in US/Can!). The 8P A3 is exactly the same as is the R8 (I only mention the R8 because the first-gen car, the interior/electronics are related to the TT). B8 platform is the same and it was from after '08 even. Basically if you want an Audi with A2DP it's gotta be something designed after CY15 or so and possibly could be an MY17 or 18 car lol.

It's strange because VAG started implementing things like A2DP and CP/AA in VWs before Audi, mostly because of the demand. Today they are not getting away without offering these kind of features and staying on top of them because the market demand has shifted a good bit. Nobody will buy a car these days if it don't have AA/CP, charging ports, wireless charging, etc. Otherwise if Audi was able to get away with it it would probably be 2023 when Audi just started implementing them with it being 2027 or so by the time all old models had been redesigned to get the "new features". What they were doing up until the mid 10s, they simply can't do anymore really. Unfortunately we have cars that were still under Audi's "old skool" thinking generations so them's the breaks.

If you want to hear about really bad... Over in NA... Consider that all Pontiac and Buick cars all had automatic headlights since around 1996, all the way down to the econobox bone base Sunfire. Chevy and other GM brands probably by 1999 or 2000 or so. I'm not even talking about Cadillac (a lux brand) either, I'm talking about GM's "pedestrian" brands, which typically cost way less than most Audis, and were just regular people cars. Yet on a 2008 A3 2.0T which cost probably 2x or more than a base Sunfire did, automatic headlights were not only an option but a rare/hard to get option as well :rolleyes: Over a decade after some manufacturers had an option like this completely standard on econoboxes and barely even mentioned as a "feature" any longer, Audi it's some kind of big thing you can't even get 🤦‍♂️If that doesn't say ridiculous, I don't know what does.

Anyway...
First I bought an SD card, put some music on it and opted to use the slots behind the ANP screen. "Data corrupted"... data was fine. Couldn't get the damn thing out either, I was there with tweezers for half an hour as the edges of the SD card cradle gradually deteriorated. Succeeded eventually.
A few things. The 2nd gen RNS-E (with factory fw) is only able to accept standard SD and SDHC (FAT32) format cards which max out at 32GB. Larger, SDXC cards in their native format (exFAT) will not work. However you can get larger cards to work the RNS-E by using pcbbc's firmware (which is highly recommended) by formatting them as SDHC (i.e. formatting as FAT32).

As for your SD slots seems like there might have been some damage to the slot(s) prior to you buying the car. Are both slots messed up or just the one? Hopefully the other slot is still ok.

However, the wires for this 2014 TT are different to those in the tutorials. So I had to use some guesswork. Cut into wires, attached and nothing. Removed it because there was talk of battery drain and I couldn't risk that. Ever since I've had airbag warning light on dash. More expense to get fixed.
The AUX input adapters typically do not cause battery drain--did you test to see if the adapter was drawing current after the car is off/sleeping or did you just do that because "there was talk"?

The airbag light came on because you turned on the ignition at some point when part of the airbag system was disconnected. Most likely case when working on the stereo is that little light that indicates "passenger airbag off" below the HU. Yes this is considered part of the airbag system! When you turn the ignition on with any part of the airbag system disconnected in a VAG car it sets a code which triggers the airbag light as well. This code will NOT clear automatically upon reconnection of that component. The airbags will all still work as designed but the light will not go out until you clear the code. You need to have VCDS or similar to clear airbag codes. The alternative if you don't have that is to simply never turn the ignition on if you have disconnected some part of the airbag system...until you're sure you have reconnected it.

Then I bought this:


Another option becomes available in media sources (External audio source). But on scanning Android nothing new comes up on my phone.

Autosounds don't want to know. Happy to sell me a subwoofer, but won't get involved with this nonsense.

Specialist said they'd look at it, but has to be a week day (day off work) and they'd charge 82 quid just to touch the keys never mind anything else.

Please guide me on foxing this it's making my life more shit.
The problem with random aftermarket "dumb" AMI interfaces is they don't always account for the differences by year and model of AMI interface. Most likely case is the one that you have is not equipped to deal with the fact that the AMI port on our cars do not have the same power pins as some other cars. The power is there but has to be "negotiated" with the port (can be done by means of resistors on certain pins) to activate the power output. Since the adapter you got is a simple or "dumb" interface this means the adapter is connected but it's not getting power, and thus not doing anything. It would work on a later AMI-port car because those ones give power on the power pins w/o needing any negotiation--i.e. they are always live. The people that design these things in China are using a different model car(s) to test on and since they are just making something for pennies here, they aren't exactly doing any kind of exhaustive testing or research on how AMI works across models and years.

The way around this on the cheapo BT interfaces that connect to AMI (i.e. the ones that don't have any control or text) is they use a secondary USB cable for power. You need something like this one, for a cheap interface that works with AMI ports that don't have power on the pins expected:

Edit: Ooops wrong link, updating hang on...

Okay fixed:

If you look at this^ adapter, see how it has the USB cord on it as well? Then take a look at this one:

Looks the same right? But no USB cord. The first one will work on our version of AMI provided you plug the USB into a USB charger/supply of some sort; the second one will not, because it has no power connection. This is similar to what you bought--no power = no turn on = no worky!

Otherwise if you want something more robust, get something like a Bovee Tune2Air interface which is a "smart" interface and I believe works on different AMI ports, so long as you get the correct model. These are more featured (have control and text) and actually have some level of support, but they cost about 10x more as well so you kinda have to make a choice there.
 
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#8 ·
It works...

... But it's complicated. This thing wants you to get out of the car and into the car in a certain way. If you deviate away from the correct procedure it'll shut down, the car will recognise the phone as "not functioning", you have to shut down everything, turn Bluetooth on your phone off, unplug the device, wait for a few seconds, plug it back in (and that connector is a pain in the arse to disconnect and reconnect so you'll need to be dextrous), start ignition, turn Bluetooth on your phone back to on again, and then it should pick things back up again.

Procedure it doesn't like:

• Pressing pause on or closing your media player on phone before leaving car, leaving car, coming back - You'll find you're not moving until the above remedy has been torturously gone through.
• Shutting everything down, leaving your phone in the car, coming back and expecting both the car and device to just work.
• Shutting things down and milling around in close proximity to the car. Won't like that either.
• There are more. Trial and error phase at the moment.

It's ridiculous. But at least it actually works when it's working. Needless to say the Audi head unit navigation/ID protocol where files are concerned is absolutely useless. You can't navigate and no file data gets read correctly. Whoever programmed it taught it to recognise Android as an 'iPod' so you'll have that appear if everything's working and that's pretty much all.
 
#9 ·
Out of curiosity, which one did you buy that was "140"? Is that the Bovee? Most people have reported this works well/seamlessly but this seems like a lot of trouble for the cost if true.

Also the reason it's recognised as an iPod is because there are only a few modes of operation the AMI can use. One is aux mode which is just straight aux (like one of the cheap adapters will get you--no control or text, just audio). Another is USB mode (which is like mass storage mode, kind of the same as SD I think but I never used it), and the other is "iPod mode" which is what adapters like the Bovee use due to having the most functionality there. I'm not sure I follow what you mean about not being able to use nav though, unless you mean navigating from the phone?