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DIY Change Turbo to Manifold Gasket with Pictures

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#1 ·
Hi everyone, just changed the failed turbo gasket in my TT and thought I'd show you guys how if you have the same problem.

Symptoms:
- Early symptoms include turbo whistling or screeching for me (just days before gasket failed)
- Loud tractor/noise like this
- Possible smoke /smell of exhaust fumes coming from back of engine

Diagnosis:
- Ask a garage to find out what the noise is
- Or get a bottle of soapy water and spray the area on the exhaust where there could be an exhaust leak, you will see bubbling if air is escaping.

If you find out its coming from between the turbo and the exhaust manifold, it could be that the gasket has failed.

So here is how to change the gasket, it's not a difficult job but you need the basic tools and some knowledge around the engine.

Tools required:
- Basic socket and rachet set with extensions (can't remember which size but 10mm to 18mm should be more than enough).
- E16 Inverse Torx socket
- Torque wrench (recommended)
- Copper grease

You should be good to go :mrgreen:

Parts required:
Either 06A253039E - the turbo to manifold gasket for engines AJQ,APP,ARY AUM,AUQ (around ÂŁ7 from Audi)
Or 06A253039H - for engines APX,BAM

Anything else you break on the way :cry: , you can look here for the part numbers http://www.vagcat.com/epc/cat/au/ATT/2000/229/49/2879213/

Steps:

1. Park the car somewhere safe, in case you come across a problem and have to leave it overnight. Luckily we don't need to get under the car.

2. Open bonnet, remove plastic engine and expansion tank covers.

3. First thing to do is remove the strut brace, 3 nuts on each side and 2 in the middle.

4. Unclamp and disconnect the 2 hoses connected to the charge pipe (photo).

5. Now remove the charge pipe, this is held on with two clamps (each with a nut). Unclamp the large jubilee clips on both end to fully remove the pipe.

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6. Unclamp and remove the pink 90 degree hose from the turbocharger as well as the fabric heat shield which is buttoned in place.

7. Place a rubber glove or plastic bag over the open end of the turbocharger, we do not want things falling in there as it could damage the turbine.

8. NOW with more space, look round at the back of the engine. You can climb onto the engine bay but careful to not scratch the paint work. Find the exhaust manifold, the brown iron thing coming out the back of the engine (photo).

9. Undo the 3 E16 Inverse Torx bolts And retreive the washers **BE CAREFUL**, they can be very stiff, I ended up shearing one of them so now half of it is stuck inside the turbocharger :O

NOTE: Should be E16, the picture shows E14 which is wrong. :!:

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10. The turbo should now drop slightly, just reach between the manifold and turbocharger and you will be able to slide out the old gasket.

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11. Slot the new gasket in place, REMEMBERING which way it went round.

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12. Carefully align the holes up and replace the 3 bolts (and washers) with high temperature copper grease so it doesn't seize inside and cause a problem for the next guy who comes round there. Tighten these to 30Nm.

12. Replace the pink hose and clamp onto turbo with the heatshield in place.

13. Replace the charge pipe, make sure to line it up so that the 2 clamps fit back into place. Reattach the two black hoses and both ends of the charge pipe.

13. Replace strut brace (tighten each nut to 22Nm).

14. Replace plastic covers.

15. Done! Easy.
 
#27 ·
Jonny, do you recommend applying copper grease (or other sealant etc) to the Gasket itself?

My mechanic mentioned something about doing that when he described this DIY to me. He said if you didn't, the gasket would burn up quickly and you'd have to replace it again.. What do you think?

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#28 ·
I put copper grease on all exhaust gaskets on assembly, and pipe joints as well. Not only copper helps to share seal heat with the surrounding metal, but also when oil vapors out, it leaves a nice copper based seal, that can withstand very high temps.

I'm slightly obsessed with the copper grease 8) - put it pretty much on everything, especially in suspension area - it makes things so much easier to disassemble should problems arise again.
 
#31 ·
well I attempted and failed this for the last 2 days [smiley=bigcry.gif]

I had the oil burning smell on high boost and my turbo began whistling. Boost leak test found nothing leaking, held a nice 15 psi and dropped very slowly through the oil fill cap.

[smiley=book2.gif] Read up on this procedure, got the gasket, penetraing oil, and new bolts. Got two bolts out with penetrating oil and a power impact driver, third one, the head of the bolt stripped.

To fix, tried the usual, about 4 different types of sockets, even some new kind for rounded off bolts. no go. Bought two different extractors you pound on with a hammer and one that cuts into the metal, no go. Then bought two different types of screw extractors with drill bits, a traditional kind to use with a tap handle, and a "power extractor" that you reverse drill in and then power out, did nothing.

So I'm stuck with a rounded off bolt, drilled off center about 5cm down into the exhaust manifold which the drill bit just doesn't want to cut into.

Anyone have any ideas?
 
#32 ·
Were they the OEM E16 external torx bolts? How did you manage to round it off? Did you go at it with an impact wrench :eek: ?

I always use a breaker bar as it allows a lot more control, whereas an impact wrench will try to force it off.

DO NOT drill down too far as the bolt is only a few CM long and the bottom is actually the turbocharger itself. Maybe you have hit the turbo which you cant drill through.

Did you get a good set of bolt extractors? Theres a good set at Screwfix. You can just use a rachet wrench with these.

The last option which I hope you don't have to do is remove the turbo itself unfortunately. Then weld a new bolt to the rounded off bolt, then unscrew this new one.

Have you got a picture?
 
#33 ·
I will get a pic tomorrow. The turbo is safe, if anything I would drill through the exhaust manifold. I am prepared to replace it with a tubular Relentless if that happens.

However, I found a tip from a machine shop owner and bought some new tools. I purchased a set of cobalt drill bits that supposedly cut through steel like butter. Then I bought a Dremel Tungsten Carbine Cutter and was told it will be a piece of cake to take off what remains of the head of the bolt. http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories ... x?pid=9904

Once its flush I can either drill out the entire bolt and threads and put in a Helicoil to replace the threads, or if I'm lucky drilling out the center of the bolt it might release.

Wish me luck, nothing like a siezed bolt to ruin your day (or 3 days in my case [smiley=bomb.gif] )
 
#34 ·
That happened to me too mate. Very frustrating.
Depends what equipment you have access too but I used a welder to carefully add metal to the top of the rounded bolt and built it up to give the socket something to grip. I then used one of those turbo sockets to remove the bolt. They are sockets with reverse thread teeth in them that grip as you turn. Picked them up quite cheap from screw fix.
Good luck mate, I hope you manage to get it out.
 
#37 ·
I had a prob with one of them as well, but it's really worth penetrating all that in for some time before disassembling.
I think new turbo bolts come with the head a little taller...

I've used this, everything came out like tightened a week ago, from Halfords.
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#38 ·
thanks guys, I tried again with the tungsten carbine dremel rotary, didn't do anything. Then stepped up to various cobalt metal drill bits, in 4 hours I only managed to remove about 1/4 of the material from what's left of the bolt. I've already tried those reverse sockets that grip onto whats left of the metal, no go.

I got a quote to have it done at an Audi shop, $1200 USD so thats about 800 pounds sterling in UK terms. There is no way I'm going to pay that much money to have a pro do it.

I am going to find a welder, drive over there, disassemble in his parking lot and have him weld on a new nut or just use an oxygen acetylene torch to cut it out. I'm told if the bolt is in cast iron, which it is, the torch will cut (melt) the alloy bolt right out of the manifold and won't even harm the threads. I will see how it goes.
 
#39 ·
well I finally got the last bolt out. I had to take it to a welder who welded a nut onto it and go it out, cost $40.

I replaced the gasket, which I can see had a small crack in it, and the smell of burning oil at WOT is gone. Thanks all :)

Here is the new part number for the bolts on a 225 (AMU engine) that superseeds the one in this thread:
06A-145-540-K

You will be shocked at the cost of replacements, each bolt costs $18 USD but the kicker is the washer's are $36 USD each :roll:
Total for 3 bolts and 3 washer's $179, the gasket only costs $20. I opted to reuse the old washers to save a substantial amount of money.
 
#41 ·
jonnyl888 said:
Good to hear its all done. But how much for a bolt?????? Its ÂŁ7 from Audi in the Uk :eek: and ÂŁ7 for the gasket. The washers can be reused.

Did they have to order the part from Europe?
12 pound sterling for the bolts. They had them in stock at Audi San Diego so no need to ship from the UK. The new part number I posted is a better design, the head is longer and stronger.
 
#44 ·
jhoneyman said:
Nightmare - these 1st generation bolts are pants.
I boought the proper inverse torx sockets, but stripped like toffee 1st time.
The new bolt heads have much larger heads.

I bought these but no go --any thoughts ?

http://www.screwfix.com/p/irwin-bolt-gr ... eces/96028
I tried those when mine got stuck, didn't do a thing, don't waste your money.
 
#46 ·
Did mine a few weeks ago but pins kept on coming loose , bought a new set of pins from audi and also got me some stainless spriingwashers from work with a little loctite on the thread also , hopefully this has cured it once and for all
 
#47 ·
After reading this thread I have decided to buy all the parts and tools to do this at the weekend. I just have a few concerns - Did the old gasket come out OK and can you separate the manifold and turbo easy enough to get the new gasket in. I am worried about dropping an old piece of gasket into the turbo.

Thanks for the great write up.
 
#51 ·
Hi guys. Just joined for a bit of information if anyone could help me. I picked up a 2002 225 last Tuesday and love it. After around 100miles I noticed the turbo didn't kick in too well and followed with a slight almost screech sound, slowed down, boosted again fine. Again 100miles later it did the same thing but was coming in and out of boost every say 500revs. It has now completely stopped working however I can still hear the whistle from the turbo just no actual boost at all. I removed the air mass meter this morning epc light was on for some reason also, drove around the block, boosted in first then completely went again. If anyone could show me where to check for leaks or anything before I take it back to the garage tomorrow under warranty. Thankyou. Not sure how to work this forum really haha.