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Dumb Question regarding "S-Line" and "Black Edition" titles on a TTS

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#1 ·
Hi, I've probably missed this answered before - woods for the trees and all that, but, I'm new to Audi's and not long had my new to me 2011 TTS.

Mine is registered as a "2011 TTS S-Line Black Ed"..... So what's the difference between a "standard" TTS and the "S Line" TTS??

What's the "black edition" trim/stuff?

Side by side pictures of the differences would be awesome! Always easier to visualise ha.

Again, apologies for the dumb, no doubt repeated, question!
 
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Firstly, there's no such thing as an S-Line TT-S. It's one or the other, not both. The S stands for "Sport" and is a separate model to the base car, with what is usually a number of improvements for performance. Most notably, the "S" spec engine is almost always unique to that version of the car; also additional things like larger brakes, better suspension, different body parts/aero, also apply.

S-Line is merely a trim enhancement on "regular" versions of a car, like the A or Q prefix models. So you could have an A4 S-Line or a TT S-Line but these are not the same as an S4 or a TT-S. S-Line "packages" have varied on what they include over the years (and probably by country as well). Sometimes they complement other trim levels or packages and sometimes they themsevles are the trim level. It pretty much always includes exterior adornments--different bumper(s), mouldings, badges. Sometimes it additionally includes things like S-Line seats, suspension, door sills, badges and other minor interior/trim items.

From there we need to talk about quattro GmbH. quattro GmbH (renamed Audi Sport GmbH since 2016 or around there) is an Audi subsidiary who is responsible for designing and advising on changes for S cars as well as for manufacturing most RS cars or at least major components on them like the engine. I say most because while they used to manufacture all RS cars, eventually Audi started building various RS models themselves as the RS brand/line got expanded to many more cars than the original few that got an RS model. Very early S cars like the S2 and perhaps the Ur-S4, etc. were also made by quattro gmbH but most S cars since are made by Audi simply with quattro gmbH input. This is one thing that always made RS cars more special than S cars--not only were they obviously higher performing but they were also much more limited in production numbers. Like BMW's M division there is a manufacturer distinction in the VIN as well...

In US/Canada at least:
A vehicle made by Audi will have a VIN starting with WAU
A vehicle made by Audi Sport gmbH (quattro gmbH) will have a VIN starting with WUA

At one point in time S-Line specific parts and adornments were also designed and manufactured by quattro gmbH but like the RS cars and engines which all used to be made by quattro GmbH, eventually S-Line additional parts and features became just made by Audi. I could be wrong but I don't even think Audi Sport GmbH advises on or is consulted with for most S-Line stuff any longer, it's just "regular Audi".

Black Edition. So this part I could be mistaken on because this was not a thing we had here for Mk2 TTs. But my understanding of it is Black Edition was pretty much the same as what we call Competition Package over here--it adds things like the fixed wing "from the RS", as well as specific Competition/Black Ed bumpers, grille etc. Presumably with Black ed. it's all stuff in black, given the name. It's entirely an appearance package--there are no performance upgrades with it at all. Brakes are the same as on the base car, engine is the same as any other standard 2.0T, etc. Over here an S car could be fitted with Competition Package but not until the last year or two of the Mk2. These cars are very rare--an S model with Competition on it.

The above meant it's much more likely to find a standard TT S-Line Competition over here (with all the racy looking bits) than it is to find a TT-S with it. Also meant for 2-3 years you could get a standard TT w/ S-Line & Competition where the S was simply not as racy or sporty looking but was the better car. The S having the more potent engine, the bigger brakes; plus the magnetic ride suspension and variable exhaust/steering/throttle (the "S button").

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#4 ·
Firstly, there's no such thing as an S-Line TT-S. It's one or the other, not both. The S stands for "Sport" and is a separate model to the base car, with what is usually a number of improvements for performance. Most notably, the "S" spec engine is almost always unique to that version of the car; also additional things like larger brakes, better suspension, different body parts/aero, also apply.
My UK V5 Logbook (The governing DVLA Vehicle registration and identification document) has exactly the same as this vcheck report on it - "TTS S LINE BLACK ED TFSI QUAT"
so if there's no such thing as a TTS S Line - you can forgive my confusion based on the registered vehicle documents :)

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Black edition gives you a black grill instead of the chrome embelished grill, 19 inch wheels, tinted rear windows, Bose etc , mine is a black edition and looks better for it IMHO

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Aren't the black editions with Bose called amplified black editions? Also with AMI?
 
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Was going to mention the Black Edition Amplified as well. As you can see from my car Amplified was a pack. I've got the brochure which lists what you got with the Black Edition and the Amplified pack but I'm away at the moment. IIRC the Amplified pack was only available on the last of the "base" cars and not the TT-S. Not stated in the description but mine is S-Line.
The plot thickens! lol

So I guess someone needs to look in maybe the MY13 or MY14 brochure and see what each of these things really included.

Does Black Edition actually give the RS-style fixed spoiler or is that an Amplified thing? Or is Amplified just Blose and only Blose?
 
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Was going to mention the Black Edition Amplified as well. As you can see from my car Amplified was a pack. I've got the brochure which lists what you got with the Black Edition and the Amplified pack but I'm away at the moment. IIRC the Amplified pack was only available on the last of the "base" cars and not the TT-S. Not stated in the description but mine is S-Line.
 
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Well, my black edition (apparently) came with Bose, black grills, black badges etc but NOT the fixed spoiler. Someone else who owns the amplified black edition told me it was only the “amplified” versions that got the spoiler. No idea about what had Bose and what didn’t - I just know mine does ha
 
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If you look at the description for my car it tells you what is included in the Amplified pack, and that includes the Rotors and the fixed rear spoiler. The Bose amplifier is nothing to do with that pack and was included in the Sound pack as part of the Black Edition. I'm back home tomorrow and will dig out the brochure and post what was included as part of the Black Edition and the Amplified pack.

Mine is 2014 and it maybe that the spec. for earlier Black Editions was different and so the brochure for the particular year needs to be studied.
 
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#17 ·
The TT S-Line and TT S were available as Black Editions and both had the same extras so I've just added that for the TT S. Only the TT S-Line was available with the additional Amplified items.

It's always nice looking through the brochure with the specification and options available.

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#18 ·
The TT S-Line and TT S were available as Black Editions and both had the same extras so I've just added that for the TT S.

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That's exactly what mine has/had (with the exception of previous owner putting on aftermarket honeycomb front)! Thanks for that, that's good to know.

Clearly mine is mislabelled / mis-recorded as "S-Line" since it's def a TTS Black Edition
 
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Yeah, as TT'sRevenge said at the start, you can't have S-Line and TT S.

Audi do like to make it complicated though with the S in TT S standing for Sport as in the "base" car the range went Sport, S-Line and Black Edition, but of course without any engine upgrades.
 
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Yeah, I believed TT'sRevenge reply.... My confusion typically wasn't because of Audi as such, but because of my UK V5 legal document where it's legally registered as a "TTS S-Line Black Edition"..

Thanks to everyone here though, I've confirmed the "S-Line" is erroneous, it's just a 2011 TTS Black Edition :)
 
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What's that then, never heard of it. Was the SE a model only available in certain years?
 
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SE was just a package: replaced 18” silver wheels with 19” titanium, added Bose with AMI and iPod, and mobile phone base plus Bluetooth. Also upped the standard radio to Symphony (but mine had RNS-E).