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#1 ·
Hello, my dad recently purchased a 2002 TT 225.
He came to me after the purchase with the temp warning on as it was at 130C.
So I waited a day ran the car, thermostat opened which dropped temp but obviously carried on rising.
Put econ on as it should kick fans in. Didn't run any.
Have no low speed or high speed or after run.
Today removed both plugs powered both fans with a power probe on low and high speed both ran up when power supplies with power probe.
Removed thermal switch plug connector, bridged connectors only have low speed but no high speed on there when bridged.
Fuses on battery ok. 30amp and the bolt down 40amp.

Does this indicate the fan relay module is at fault for not running any of the fans. At my wits end.
 
#2 ·
Low speed fans for AC and high speed fans for engine cooling use relays in the fan control module.
So your issue could point to that.

Low speed fans for engine cooling are just a basic permanently live circuit, no relays involved.

FYI "Econ" on means AC off.
You need the Econ light off to have the fans running all the time.
 
#4 ·
Hoggy said:
Hi, High speed fans are controlled by thermal switch via the Fan control module.
Hoggy. :D
So if the module is faulty the fans won't work When bridged across the thermal switch plug ? As the low speed did which isn't controlled by it?

David C said:
Low speed fans for AC and high speed fans for engine cooling use relays in the fan control module.
So your issue could point to that.

Low speed fans for engine cooling are just a basic permanently live circuit, no relays involved.

FYI "Econ" on means AC off.
You need the Econ light off to have the fans running all the time.
Sorry that's correct I got that mixed up. It's not running at all with it off.

I presume it has a faulty thermal switch and module then... bugger.
 
#7 ·
Chesters94 said:
Put a new thermal switch on to see if low speed would work, no low speed at all. Rechecked fuses. All ok power to them on the contacts.
Tried removing fuse 16 as somewhere on the forum it said this would cause them to run, still nothing.
Remember, two methods used to turn on the low speed fans.
For engine cooling it is just the 1st stage of the 2-stage thermal switch on the rad.
For the AC it is a relay in the fan control module.

Both methods use the green 30A fuse for the supply.
 
#8 ·
David C said:
Remember, two methods used to turn on the low speed fans.
For engine cooling it is just the 1st stage of the 2-stage thermal switch on the rad.
For the AC it is a relay in the fan control module.

Both methods use the green 30A fuse for the supply.
I thought the low speed bypassed the fan control module so would work with ac..
tried with exon off and still nothing. I will try a new control module, hopefully here on Thursday.
 
#12 ·
Chesters94 said:
Found the cause. On the plug connector to the FCM. Wiring repair carried out start up. Fans running low speed, now to road test and see if high speed operate.
Good man! [smiley=cheers.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
 
#13 ·
Well...

High speed fan isn't coming on. Have to turn car off and back on so still getting to 130.. low speed is working fine, am I to try a different FCM? Does this sound like the problem ? Possibly been sent a faulty one?

So making progress just not solved. Cheers for the help so far guys.
 
#18 ·
Hi All,

I've got a similar problem with my 04 3.2, it started in the warm weather recently, temp gauge went upto 120c, upon investigation only the small fan was working, so replaced both fans & both radiators as they looked a bit dodgy & had it regassed.
I ran up to temp with diagnostic tool keeping exact eye on the temp, at 110c the fans worked & switched off less the 30s later, temp is now 108c, so thought everything was sorted.
On the recent warm day 28/29c ambient temp, the temp reached 120c, I pulled over & no fans are running :eek:
Did a bit of youtube research & suspected fan controller to be faulty, so changed that as well as radiator sensor, ran it last night & fans came on at 110c, but drove home & temp went high again 120c, no fans running, wtf
Any ideas?
Btw would VAG com be able to individually test circuits or does it only read errors?, thinking of getting it

Also the aircon pump clicks after switching off, could this be connected?
 
#19 ·
maxakarudy said:
Hi All,

I've got a similar problem with my 04 3.2, it started in the warm weather recently, temp gauge went upto 120c, upon investigation only the small fan was working, so replaced both fans & both radiators as they looked a bit dodgy & had it regassed.
I ran up to temp with diagnostic tool keeping exact eye on the temp, at 110c the fans worked & switched off less the 30s later, temp is now 108c, so thought everything was sorted.
On the recent warm day 28/29c ambient temp, the temp reached 120c, I pulled over & no fans are running :eek:
Did a bit of youtube research & suspected fan controller to be faulty, so changed that as well as radiator sensor, ran it last night & fans came on at 110c, but drove home & temp went high again 120c, no fans running, wtf
Any ideas?
Btw would VAG com be able to individually test circuits or does it only read errors?, thinking of getting it

Also the aircon pump clicks after switching off, could this be connected?
Those temperatures are far too high. Fans should be running long before 110degC. That in itself points to the Low Speed fans not working so you're getting no fans at all until it is hot enough to trigger the High Speed Fans, then when it has cooled enough to go back to Low Speed fans they stop because Low Speed isn't working.

Do both fans run CONSTANTLY when the AC is on?
They should be running all the time at low speed for the AC.

I don't think VCDS can't trigger the fans because they are controlled by thermal switches, not the ECU via sensors.

Were your replacement fans new or secondhand?
 
#21 ·
Both fans are new & I checked both speeds before fitting.
They both run when the AC is on, but AC is not working, but regassed & passed 20 min vauum test, which would also confirm high pressure ac sensor is working, mag clutch operates.
The temp gauge reads 90c, but reading on G62 code, coolant temp is 90c +, at 110c fans come for 30s & switch on/off 108-110c, but once above that, they won't switch on it seems.
After replacing cooling control module & rad sensor I have the same problem as previous, so assume it's something else?
I beleive the thermostats or temp sensors for the dash gauge is not linear, but staged, so temp range on 90c can actually be from 90-118 as "normal", after 118 the gauge rises.
 
#22 ·
Hi, Dash gauge is weighted & will read 90 when actual coolant temp on Code 49 is anywhere between 82 & 106 ish.
As you know fans are controlled via thermal switch & FCM, any coolant temp indications are just that an indication, so wondering are the temp indications showing a false high.
If replacing coolant temp sensor always use OEM. not OEM quality from Ebay etc.
Hoggy. :D
 
#23 ·
Get to the connector for the thermal switch on the rad and with the ignition OFF short pins to trigger the low speed fans.
If that doesn't work there is a wiring issue.

If that does work, then it could be a false high from a dodgy temperature sensor or faulty dash.
 
#25 ·
Hold your horses Hoggy :p
I have checked the plug lead from the rad sensor, bridged the connection & the fans spin up.
I've also got coolant reading via the air con display see picture, it did actually get 116c with no fans running, I can bring it back down by switching AC on, therefore engaging low speed fans.
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