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225 or V6 Coupe?

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#1 ·
Right, as I've almost departed with my beloved A3, I'm stuck in two minds about which model to go for! How much difference is there in the two cars for everyday performance and cost, and what are the pro's and cons for each car??

Fair enough you get slightly better performance in the V6 and a better sounding engine from the 6 cylinders, plus more aggressive looks with that front bumper, rear spoiler and diffuser! But which would be the more economical choice in the long run - is the V6 more expensive to service, and how reliable is the DSG gearbox? What about fuel consumption difference, insurance etc??

When I drove the DSG I just left it in auto, and used the DSG paddles sparingly (found them more a gimmick really! :? ), and missed the interaction that a manual gives you! 8) I'm sure I've upset a few DSG drivers here but maybe you can highlight the best things you like about the gearbox and whether or not it detracts from the raw fun of driving a manual? :D

Bearing in mind that I was initially planning on getting the 225 Coupe and fitting the V6 front bumper, rear spoiler and diffuser, would it be cheaper just to get the V6 which already has the look that I'm after? There is a gorgeous Moro blue V6 at my local dealer with Aniseed leather for £24,995 on an 04 plate, but don't know if I can get this same car alot cheaper private!

As always, I welcome all comments, however little or detailed! :p

Naresh
 
#2 ·
I had a 225 and loved it but I prefer my V6. I tend to leave the DSG in auto but quite often now I put it into manual and use the paddles. It can be good fun but in a different way from a true manual gearbox. I'm used to driving an auto so not having a manual box was not such a change for me.

The V6 is proving to be about 2 or 3 mpg thirstier than my 225 but as I rarely got less than 30 mpg in the 225 I'm not overly concerned about it. In fact I tend to use the power of the V6 much more than the 225 as it is so easy, even when you're feeling lazy, just to floor the throttle in auto and blast past any slower traffic. :p

If you want to make really swift progress then put the DSG in sport and it really flies, with instant throttle reponse.

The V6 does sound a lot better than the four.

If you're not planning on modding the 225 then I would definitely go for the V6 and enjoy. :p :p
 
#3 ·
Well, you started something now.
The V6 is a more comfortable engine to use everyday, and the DSG seems to allow you to have the best out of two worlds. Looks do not matter as their is little difference and its easy to convert the 225 to the V6 look. The V6 does sound better.
Service: Little between them in cost.
My choice; the 225 every time, why because its just as quick as the V6 and far quicker if modded, handles better due to the lower ride and lighter engine.
Who wants Auto in a car thats such a joy to drive; the paddles are a nice touch, but something I could live without.
Insurance: always ring & find out, its not always the bigger engine car thats higher.
Fuel consumption: unsure, but I know that if you keep driving hard on the 225 Turbo version fuel goes down rather quickly.

Just some ideas to think about, either one is great, but for me I wanted something quick that handled well, the TT225 (modded) came out on top.

'D' TTONAIR
 
#4 ·
V6 will be more on the insurance and probably to service but much more fun than the 225, and you will be able to get a better price comparibly when you sell it.
 
#5 ·
IMO, after driving the V6 DSG, Manual and owning a 225, I would go for the 225. Love that Turbo and like some1 mentioned earlier, much quicker than the V6 once modded. Although, I might just be souding biest! :?
225 all the way!
I have gone for the V6 styling though, since I do prefer the front bumper to the standard 225. 8)
 
#6 ·
Naresh

I had a V6 manual (Glacier blue same as my 225) for the Xmas period as a courtesy car, and have to say that there are a fair few differrences between the 2

1 On approaching the 2 side by side the 225 is noticebly lower although away from each other its not so apparent, the V6 front bumper looks good but i'm not so sure on the rear

2 Driving the V6 away i thought this is slow (no shove in the back at 3k) but on reflection over the 2 1/2 weeks and 750 miles i had it :lol: , it piles on the speed in a lot more relaxing manner you don't have to drive it as hard to get it to go as fast, and ultimately there's not much in it, the DSG may be quicker than a standard 225 but then the 225 or V6 manual is far more moddable, the clutch and steering are heavier on the 225 :?

3 It did'nt seem to handle as well when pushing on although it could be due to conditions, tyres etc although i thought the ride was better damped in the V6, and more relaxing

4 Can't tell you too much about running cost's although the consumption of the V6 is higher, although it dosen't need super like the 225,

5 I enjoyed the time i had with V6 and have to say the sound is stunning and blipping the throttle at idle left a big big smile

Ultimatley there is not a lot in (still sitting on the fence :) ) N/A or forced induction v. different deliveries, and overall the the V6 is more refined if thats what you like/want and resale values are better , personally the 225 is for me as i do 350 miles a week and have had a thing for Turbo cars ever since my Dad's R5 Gordini Turbo :roll:

I hope this mini-review dosen't upset any one

Rgds Tony
 
#8 ·
...if you're not into the DSG (or can't work it properly! :wink: ) get the V6 manual as the slight increase in price over a standard 225 will give you all the body tweaks and uprated floating twin pot calipers, extra 25 bhp and 29 lbs.ft of torque on tap with zero lag and oh, that amazing V6 growl which NO modded 1.8T engine could ever produce - it's all about the actual driving experience and an extra 15 to 25 bhp in a modded 1.8T won't give it soul just more speed... :?

I shouldn't really say this but all my mates call mine 'the man's TT'! :lol: If I had bought the standard 225 I would have got bored of the anodyne souless properties by now and would have got rid - the V6 put right all the minor issues I had with the original at just the right time for me to cancel that order thank God...just a thought...

All the above IMVHO!!! :)
 
#9 ·
This was my two cents on the matter - some time ago now however....

http://www.********.co.uk/ttforumbbs/vi ... php?t=5642

.....and since I have had the 225 APR chipped there is no contest as far as I am concerned.

I do have a drinking buddy (who is known around these parts) and likes his V6 very much. Do a back to back test drive and whatever the choice you will have made a good one!
 
#10 ·
jacTT225 said:
Do a back to back test drive and whatever the choice you will have made a good one!
...very sound advice and to add, do quite a few test drives of both as only 1 in each will not give the full story.
 
#11 ·
V6 TT said:
jacTT225 said:
Do a back to back test drive and whatever the choice you will have made a good one!
...very sound advice and to add, do quite a few test drives of both as only 1 in each will not give the full story.
V.true.....V6 grew on me over the time i had it, as i wasn't keen at all to start with..... Only regret was I did'nt get a chance to take it off road

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#12 ·
BAMTT said:
V6 TT said:
jacTT225 said:
Do a back to back test drive and whatever the choice you will have made a good one!
...very sound advice and to add, do quite a few test drives of both as only 1 in each will not give the full story.
V.true.....V6 grew on me over the time i had it, as i wasn't keen at all to start with..... Only regret was I did'nt get a chance to take it off road

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
...very amusing (and pretty long in the tooth [smiley=zzz.gif] ) but I'd give you the 20mm in ride height for this engine any day of the week (I'll burn you a CD of my V6 growl if you like so you can play in your car? ) - keep dreaming (& modding!) ! :roll: :lol: :wink:
 
#13 ·
I am amazed that you need forum advice to help decide. The V6 and 225 are very very different cars to drive and own, neither is 'best'. Like a good few on the forum I did not like the V6 at first, or indeed second try. The forum did prompt me to have yet another go, with someone who knew the DSG system. Never looked back since.

Still think the 225 is a great car, which I enjoyed everyday. But the V6 DSG is such a different car and the one for me at the moment.
 
#14 ·
Some interesting comments guys! :lol: Can anyone elaborate a bit more on the service costs though, as I wanted to know if the V6 is cheaper to maintain than the 225, being a normally aspirated engine.

V6 TT - your comments about the V6 being the "man's TT" was voiced by me only just today when I made a point to see the driver's of every TT I saw on the road today - all women driving either a 225 or 180 model!! :p

No offence to anyone else especially myself as I was contemplating getting the 225, but owning a V6 would at least keep quiet those people driving other cars who label the TT a hairdresser's car etc etc! Fair enough the 225 can be modded to be quicker than the V6 like mentioned, but how many of you would prefer the sound of 6 cylinders over 4? Does anyone have a sound recording to hand??

I don't really have a reference point anyway because my A3 is a 1.6 with only 101bhp so a 225 Turbo really is going to keep me happy, just that I do like a nice growling engine!! :lol: What I do like also is that "throw you back into the seat" acceleration that a Turbo gives you - can the V6 do just this as well, because I didn't notice it on my test-drive? :?

I will take some more test drives in each car though to help make up my mind once and for all!!

Keep the comments coming!! 8)
 
#16 ·
I've had a few TT's over the years with the current one being a V6 DSG which for my needs has IMO been the best one of them all. As has been pointed out by many the turbo and V6 are considerably different and offer almost entirely different driving experiences. The DSG box for me has offered me lightening quick "paddle" changes with minimum stress. Amazing for acceleration and great for braking when used optimally. BTW, anyone who refers to the DSG box as an "auto" box is somewhat misguided and needs to experience it over a period of time to determine the difference.

My suggestion would be to try them both and you will instinctively know which one is right for you.
 
#18 ·
Naresh, a few extra thought's:

Although the 6'er is down on mpg, say 2 or 3 over a tank of fuel it is worth noting that you don't have to fill up with Optimax/98ron fuel as it has little to no effect in big n/a engines so they probably balance each other out there.

Servicing will probably be the same sort of cost maybe a bit extra for those 2 extra spark plugs! :wink: Seriously though, servicing will be much of a muchness especially for the costs of both variants of TT - there won't be hundreds of pounds difference. The only extra cost in this department will be the change of oil in the DSG box every 40k - I'll get it done whilst it's there for the normal service.

Insurance is always a sticky wicket depending on your personal circumstances and you must be over 30 for most to insure you on it. This year mine's £850 and I'm 31 with full no claims. I did check initially and there was nothing in it for me between the 2 variants.

As far as power delivery goes, it does what it say on the tin, the maximum torque is delivered by 3k revs - no spooling up of the turbo - you get it when you need it with no fight just the way I (but not all!) like it - most of my passengers say it get's 'em in the neck every time! Where are you in the country as I could show you what a master of the DSG 6'er can really do? :wink: .......Be warned though, only now (well in the last few months anyway as there is a lot to learn) do I feel at one with this car, in the sense that I can put it anywhere and into any situation with complete confidence - it's a completely different driving experience (DSG) and you won't know it all in a few weeks - if you're up for a refreshing change from the norm, don't fancy the same old apples and a glimpse of the future, well you know the rest! :wink: :lol:

On the subject of manual V DSG - all I can say is that I hear/read alot of people talking about lack of control and the DSG taking the fun out of the drive, well just remember that when in a stick driven car every time you put your left foot down on the clutch pedal drive stops going to the wheels and at this point your left hand (in the UK anyways!) is off the steering wheel - is there really any fun or control in that? Well of course there is but is it 'total' control? I've been there, done that and got pretty good at it too... :wink: I think this fan dangled box (after 15 months) in comparison gives you back more feel and control as it allows you to concentrate more on the job in hand (whatever mode you're in M/S/D) not only by allowing you consistent never fading power to the wheels at all times (including in M whilst changing gear via paddles) but both hands on the wheel where they belong to achieve the perfect corner/manover - we are talking full control here...alas, I could go on and on for hours about the merits of this car and I've even got used to the TT's handling characteristics now and enjoy that as well!

Well I hope any of this rambling helps or answers some q's for you!?!?! At the end, your choice will give you a TT of some description which is more than most of Joe Public can only dream of owning so enjoy!

Cheers

Dean
 
#19 ·
Had 3 TT's now, done 60,000 miles in each of my 225 making 120,000 and then 20,000 in my V6 just 12 months old now-there is no comparison between them , the V6 is a drivers car, its no good saying "yes but if you chip the 225"-thats a different matter where more money is to consider, I'm on about the standard cars.
I use the auto most of the time but when you drop it into 'sport' mode and floor the throttle at around 50 in traffic, it just flies past the others, I don't care what the book says the experience of driving a V6 is perceptably better than the 225. The sound alone is worth the extra money! As for the handling, unless you are on a track it would be difficult to compare, its superb on both models. The V6 is thirstier though by a few mpg.
 
#20 ·
Thanks for the comprehensive write up Dean - I'm based down south in north east London, and would love a great spirited drive in your car! :lol:

Another thing - why does the V6 sit 20mm or so higher and is it possible to drop it lower with just a decent set of springs and keep the existing shocks? Does it come with a sports-type stiffened suspension anyway so just the lower springs would suffice?
 
#21 ·
V6 TT said:
Naresh, a few extra thought's:

Although the 6'er is down on mpg, say 2 or 3 over a tank of fuel it is worth noting that you don't have to fill up with Optimax/98ron fuel as it has little to no effect in big n/a engines so they probably balance each other out there.

Servicing will probably be the same sort of cost maybe a bit extra for those 2 extra spark plugs! :wink: Seriously though, servicing will be much of a muchness especially for the costs of both variants of TT - there won't be hundreds of pounds difference. The only extra cost in this department will be the change of oil in the DSG box every 40k - I'll get it done whilst it's there for the normal service.

Insurance is always a sticky wicket depending on your personal circumstances and you must be over 30 for most to insure you on it. This year mine's £850 and I'm 31 with full no claims. I did check initially and there was nothing in it for me between the 2 variants.

As far as power delivery goes, it does what it say on the tin, the maximum torque is delivered by 3k revs - no spooling up of the turbo - you get it when you need it with no fight just the way I (but not all!) like it - most of my passengers say it get's 'em in the neck every time! Where are you in the country as I could show you what a master of the DSG 6'er can really do? :wink: .......Be warned though, only now (well in the last few months anyway as there is a lot to learn) do I feel at one with this car, in the sense that I can put it anywhere and into any situation with complete confidence - it's a completely different driving experience (DSG) and you won't know it all in a few weeks - if you're up for a refreshing change from the norm, don't fancy the same old apples and a glimpse of the future, well you know the rest! :wink: :lol:

On the subject of manual V DSG - all I can say is that I hear/read alot of people talking about lack of control and the DSG taking the fun out of the drive, well just remember that when in a stick driven car every time you put your left foot down on the clutch pedal drive stops going to the wheels and at this point your left hand (in the UK anyways!) is off the steering wheel - is there really any fun or control in that? Well of course there is but is it 'total' control? I've been there, done that and got pretty good at it too... :wink: I think this fan dangled box (after 15 months) in comparison gives you back more feel and control as it allows you to concentrate more on the job in hand (whatever mode you're in M/S/D) not only by allowing you consistent never fading power to the wheels at all times (including in M whilst changing gear via paddles) but both hands on the wheel where they belong to achieve the perfect corner/manover - we are talking full control here...alas, I could go on and on for hours about the merits of this car and I've even got used to the TT's handling characteristics now and enjoy that as well!

Well I hope any of this rambling helps or answers some q's for you!?!?! At the end, your choice will give you a TT of some description which is more than most of Joe Public can only dream of owning so enjoy!

Cheers

Dean
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agree totally about the DSG.......I have driven manual turbo'd cars before (however not a TT but please dont [smiley=rifle.gif] me :!: ) and no matter how hard you try or how fast you (think you) can change gears, you just cannot match the DSG for speed and precision in the change.......and IMHO matched with a big V6 like this one it is superb......effortless

by the way dean how long did it take you to write all that out........you must have started last year :lol: :wink:
 
#22 ·
Naresh said:
Another thing - why does the V6 sit 20mm or so higher and is it possible to drop it lower with just a decent set of springs and keep the existing shocks? Does it come with a sports-type stiffened suspension anyway so just the lower springs would suffice?
...the V6 sits higher as the sump on the V6 block sits lower and Audi/VW have certain clearance limits they like to maintain. There are aftermarket Eibach kits and the like which will sling it the 20mm lower but obviously at a cost - I'll consider this when mine are shot!. The V6 suspension is 'sport' already and is specific to this cars setup, although it is recommended that springs and dampers should be changed together. Don't worry there is no spungy wollowing around in the corners, well, it behaves almost like all the other TT's I've driven but actually seems to turn in sharper due to the shorter lock to lock and I must say that the change from the Pirelli's to Mich's made a huge difference...incidently, the pic in th sig below was week 2 of ownership and now that it's around 15 months old it definately sits lower now it's all bedded in and roasted!

Scott2k21, I must have been on a roll (bored!) that day! :roll: :lol: