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SwissJetPilot wrote:
Agreed. It's completely different from the Battery Energy Management Module P/N 4E0915181 shown below which is for an Audi A8.

Therefore I would agree with Ashfinlayson, the Mk2 (8J) doesn't have one and no coding (programming) is required. But I'm curious what, if anything, is on my 2007 battery cable since I still have the original battery.

Edit - Photos of my battery reveals nothing on the negative terminal or the cable.

It would be a very interesting conversation with a stealership if they ever charge for reprogramming after installing a new battery...exactly WHAT are they reprogramming if there's no Battery Energy Managment Module?? Caveat emptor!
Yes...... my thoughts exactly Swiss :roll:
SwissJetPilot,

Do you have a negative rail battery sensor on your 3.2, as image, if not is the charge rate static around 14.2 volts once car is being driven, is your battery AGP.

Can anyone tell me the charging regime for early 3.2 TT`s mk1 or mk2`s, they should all have AGP battery`s, do these early cars charge at around a constant 14.2 volts while being driven. If the voltage does drop to 13.5 or so how does this happen without a sensor on the battery.

https://www.ttforum.co.uk/forum/downloa ... 370170&t=1

Come on guys I need to know, should be a simple question answer.

Rob.
 
I have the same as SwissJetPilot. TT Mk2 3.2 VR6 quattro, 2007.
My battery is the same - Varta 1J0915105AG (I don't think it was AGM), no sensor at the negative terminal. The charging begins at approx. 14,1 V, after some time it falls to approx. 13,6 V (all at 20 ÂşC).
Almost the same (14,1/13,8 V) does another my car (Mazda CX-7 2,3 DISI).
What is the exact algorithm I don't know but ECU has a lot of information regarding the battery state.
 
Just a follow up with the colder weather now upon us. It's not unusual for batteries that are on their last legs, or in my case, not used much in the winter months (garaged) to end up flat. Your first indicator is the tell tale spoiler-in-the-up-position when you come out to the car. I've had this happen at least twice, and a good overnight trickle charge* has always sorted this issue (so far).

One other thing to be aware of is after flat battery has been recharged, it's not uncommon for several of the dash warning lights to remain on. On the speedometer, the steering wheel light may be on. And on the tachometer, you'll probably see the the AMR, TPMS, and ESC lights remain on. This will resolve itself once you take the car out for a drive as they normally reset themselves after 5-minutes or so. Note - the lights on the dash issue may also happen if you disconnect the battery, but will also go away after a brief drive so all the related sensors can re-set.

*The CTEK MXS 5.0 Battery Charger works great!

For anyone who needs a refresher on the dash lights, here's a handy reminder (not TT specific)
http://www.prestigeimports.net/audi-das ... ng-lights/

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Battery is dying after 10 years of good service.
I looked up the Varta site. I'm going for the AGM (group f21) version even if it is apparently designed for vehicles with the startandstop feature.
Anyone have any opinion about this choice.
I'm running another AGM varta group e39 in another vehicle.

Varta 580901080D852 F21 Silver Dynamic AGM 12 V, 80 Ah, 800 A
 
Hadaak said:
Battery is dying after 10 years of good service.
I looked up the Varta site. I'm going for the AGM (group f21) version even if it is apparently designed for vehicles with the startandstop feature.
Anyone have any opinion about this choice.
I'm running another AGM varta group e39 in another vehicle.

Varta 580901080D852 F21 Silver Dynamic AGM 12 V, 80 Ah, 800 A
Hi, As long as it fits, the higher the Ah the better.
Hoggy. :D
 
Hi, I'm sure charging voltage for an AGM battery will be fine, didn't the 3.2 & QS have an AGM battery fitted.?
Hoggy. :D
 
TT-driver said:
As far as I'm aware AGM batteries require a higher voltage for charging than a 10 year old TT was designed for.
As far as I know the requirement for a higher voltage takes place at all maintenance-free batteries, due to the Ca in the electrodes (which is there in order to suppress the water consumption).

Hoggy said:
...didn't the 3.2 & QS have an AGM battery fitted.?
Hoggy. :D
My 3.2 quattro manufactured 2007 has no AGM.

BTW, my opinion is that Yuasa YBX 5110 (HSB 110) will provide the same service. Only if you need to code it, you must do some coding workaround (no code for Audi there).
 
Hi, 14.6/14.8 is the ideal charging voltage for an AGM depending on the state of charge. 13.5 v once charged & an alternator on TT can cope with that.
An alternator doesn't really charge a battery, it just maintains it, which is why a "flat" battery takes a really long journey to put back what was taken out during the journey.
Hoggy. :D
 
I replaced my battery by putting another one on charging points under bonnet and replacing battery in boot. Car doesn't realise battery has been disconnected.
 
Essexaviator said:
I replaced my battery by putting another one on charging points under bonnet and replacing battery in boot. Car doesn't realise battery has been disconnected.
Not sure this is a good idea if you have any battery management system !
Maybe the system will continue to treat the battery as the old aging one !
 
Not sure this is a good idea if you have any battery management system !
Maybe the system will continue to treat the battery as the old aging one !
The MK1 TT did not have a battery management system, Hoggys battery lasted 14 years mine is 8 years old and still going strong, it does not matter how many systems run off the battery the manufacturers will provide a big enough battery and an alternator capable of providing enough charge to maintain the system. The main reason for the Battery Management System (BMS) is stop/start, the Engine Management Unit (EMU) needs to know the state of charge (SOC) of the battery to ensure the car will start again after each short stop of the stop/start cycle, the BMS on the negative rail of battery provides this information. The second reason for the BMS is to enable the EMU to manage any regeneration, ie overrun, braking etc when the car is not being driven by the engine but by the inertia of the vehicle,
When the EMU senses this state it instructs the alternator to increase the charge into the battery, in some makes of car this charge will increase up to 17 volts, this energy is free, no petrol used. To accommodate this high charge burst the battery needs space otherwise boom, to make space the EMU will not allow any charging other than from regen if the SOC of battery is above 75-80% the EMU will always try to maintain the SOC at that level, that`s fine with a new battery, not so good with older batteries that probably still have some useful years left if stop/start was not functional, not so good if car is used on short journeys with little regen available.

The real on the road fuel gains appear to be small with this system in place, the system also adds another layer of electronics that will probably go wrong as the car ages. If the BMS is disconnected which I did 6 months ago on my 2012 Merc nothing alters, the car drives as normal with no EML, it charges normally at between 13.8 and 14.3 volts same as my MK1 TT, with the device disabled any type of battery can be used, the EMU doesn`t care as it doesn`t know the SOC of battery or the type of battery installed so no need for coding new battery, the battery will now charge same as older cars like MK1, I disconnected sensor to disable stop/start which on the Merc cannot be coded out. One other benefit is that the alternator will now always attempt to fully charge the battery which is better if car is used for short journeys.
If stop/start has already been coded out any fuel gains from regeneration are so marginal there is little point in this more complex system.
 
@ bobclive - My 2015 Tiguan has the stop start function, IMHO it's the bane of diesel ownership these days. If you would happen to know how to disable it without VCDS coding, please advise! On the other hand as I do have VCDS, I'm okay going that route too! :)
 
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@ bobclive - My 2015 Tiguan has the stop start function, IMHO it's the bane of diesel ownership these days. If you would happen to know how to disable it without VCDS coding, please advise! On the other hand as I do have VCDS, I'm okay going that route too! :)
Hi Swiss,

Disconnect sensor, it is the small black connector attached to the main neg battery lead as in pic arrowed red above, this is same as on your car,

Disconnecting the sensor is same as sensor failing, in that case the alternator just reverts to standard charging as it did pre smart, If the Tiguan has any regen capabilities these will be lost and a small drop of MPG may occur, this can be checked by driving vehicle, as said, the EMU needs this sensor to calculate the SOC of battery, without knowing the SOC it won`t turn on stop/start. On the Merc`s, I have a C-Class 2012 and SLK 2015 there is no EML showing on either car with disconnect.

I have a voltage monitor (Ebay as in pic above) connected into cig lighter socket and have checked voltage over past 6 months with readings between 13.8 to 14.3 volts, the car drives as normal and starts first swing on an 8 year old battery. If you don`t like just plug it back in.

A standard lead acid ÂŁ59 YBX5075 YUASA SILVER 60 AH battery has a Guarantee for 5 years yet a Bosch AGM 80AH Battery costing ÂŁ350 specced for my Merc gets only 3 years Guarantee, Shows you what stop/start does to a battery.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... Y6koR3tCl5
 
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