[Hoggy]

Shell Helix HX8 is VW approved 504/507.

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-162052-she ... e-oil.aspx

I wouldn't get too hung up on VW/Audi approved.

Hi, It's still not 5w-40. which is what p1tse is looking for.
Hoggy.

 

[ab54666]

Weird, i'm sure it was yesterday!

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68976-shel ... rrari.aspx - 502/505

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-92382-shel ... e-oil.aspx - 502/505

Quite a few others

 

[Iceblue]

My manual appears to say that 5.02, 5.03 amd 5.04 is suitable. Is this correct and does the 5w-40 VW502.00/505.00 spec I am using fall within this range.

 

[p1tse]

My manual appears to say that 5.02, 5.03 amd 5.04 is suitable. Is this correct and does the 5w-40 VW502.00/505.00 spec I am using fall within this range.

what year, model and country?

 

[Iceblue]

2009 TT 2.0 dsg FWD and lives in Australia. What does your manual say?

 

[chrisj82]

I'm using millers nanodrive 5w40 nt

 

[ab54666]

I'm using millers nanodrive 5w40 nt

Me too.

 

[mk2506]

Guilty of buying the 'brands' myself but if I'd a penny every time a mechanic told me 'oil is oil' and as long as it's the correct spec, you're only paying for company's marketing and advertising.

I used to pay top dollar for car and bike oil but put Shell in the car last time, a lot less than Castrol and Mobil 1 but it's not as if they haven't been in the oil game for years :?:

 

[FNChaos]

Guilty of buying the 'brands' myself but if I'd a penny every time a mechanic told me 'oil is oil' and as long as it's the correct spec, you're only paying for company's marketing and advertising.

While you'd probably be fine with any quality name-brand oil, there are differences between dino and synthetic oils. Dino oils have a lower flash point and start to oxidize around 250 -350f while synthetics can handle 450+ (consideration if you're running a turbo)

Synthetics don't require the same amount of viscosity modifiers (which can break down over time) and they typically have better 'shear' stability.

Also, each brand has their own secret recipe of anti-friction additives, detergents and acid neutralizers (TBN), so to say "oil is oil" isn't really accurate.

Oil is cheap in the scheme of things, so buying discount oil IMO is false economy.

 

[mk2506]

Guilty of buying the 'brands' myself but if I'd a penny every time a mechanic told me 'oil is oil' and as long as it's the correct spec, you're only paying for company's marketing and advertising.

While you'd probably be fine with any quality name-brand oil, there are differences between dino and synthetic oils. Dino oils have a lower flash point and start to oxidize around 250 -350f while synthetics can handle 450+ (consideration if you're running a turbo)

Synthetics don't require the same amount of viscosity modifiers (which can break down over time) and they typically have better 'shear' stability.

Also, each brand has their own secret recipe of anti-friction additives, detergents and acid neutralizers (TBN), so to say "oil is oil" isn't really accurate.

Oil is cheap in the scheme of things, so buying discount oil IMO is false economy.

This can't be quantified unless you take a dozen brand new vehicles off a production line and run each on different 'brands' and see which lasts longest. There are way too many variables. 'Secret additives' says it all and smacks of exactly the same as the sport supplement industry ie; 'bullshit'.

Do you speak as a mechanic or qualified in similar?

 

[ab54666]

I agree there isn't any proof, FWIW, my view after 30 years of motoring and many cars THE most important is regular oil changes. That said, when the 'perceived' better oil is what £20-30 more why scrimp?

Back in the late 80's I had a year old Audi 80. I changed the oil every 6 months or 5k miles and at 6.5 years old and 185k I sold it, it was still going fine a few years later on 220k. That had the fantastic 'Duckhams QXR' - but I suspect it was the frequency of oil change than the quality of the oil.

 

[FNChaos]

This can't be quantified unless you take a dozen brand new vehicles off a production line and run each on different 'brands' and see which lasts longest. There are way too many variables. 'Secret additives' says it all and smacks of exactly the same as the sport supplement industry ie; 'bullshit'.

Do you speak as a mechanic or qualified in similar?

Spend some time reading the forums @ Bob's the Oil Guy for an education in motor oils.
Members consist of amateurs, enthusiasts and Petro-Chemical Engineers. Sometimes you'll get representatives from the major companies to answer questions. After awhile you'll get a good feel for what is BS and what is real science when it comes to oil and oil additives.

As for me, I have no vested interest other than trying to be an informed consumer. I routinely send oil samples from my vehicle to Blackstone labs to test for metal wear, TBN levels, fuel contamination, etc (which I'm guessing 95% of the population has never done). This in itself proves nothing about the difference between brands, but if nothing else, it has given me a 'layman's" knowledge on effects of different additives, satisfies my curiosity and it helps me validate my oil choices.

 

[mk2506]

I agree there isn't any proof, FWIW, my view after 30 years of motoring and many cars THE most important is regular oil changes. That said, when the 'perceived' better oil is what £20-30 more why scrimp?

Back in the late 80's I had a year old Audi 80. I changed the oil every 6 months or 5k miles and at 6.5 years old and 185k I sold it, it was still going fine a few years later on 220k. That had the fantastic 'Duckhams QXR' - but I suspect it was the frequency of oil change than the quality of the oil.

I'm not scrimping anything, just pointing out that oil companies can only go so far in development, no one company is leagues ahead of another, so why get sucked in and spend 25% more on one brand?? Two bottles of water, one's £1 the other is £3 with fancy name and packaging, will brand snobbery force £2 extra out of your pocket for an identical product?

Are you telling me that Shell is rubbish just because it's 25% cheaper than Castrol etc? I agree with you frequency is key and a lot more key than picking between 5 top end brands.

Don't forget that American companies are allowed to stick any old shit down for advertising and it's legally up to the consumer to be factually aware, unlike the UK where companies cannot stick down crap like 'Proprietary blend' 'Exclusive formula' etc etc.

 

[ab54666]

I agree there isn't any proof, FWIW, my view after 30 years of motoring and many cars THE most important is regular oil changes. That said, when the 'perceived' better oil is what £20-30 more why scrimp?

Back in the late 80's I had a year old Audi 80. I changed the oil every 6 months or 5k miles and at 6.5 years old and 185k I sold it, it was still going fine a few years later on 220k. That had the fantastic 'Duckhams QXR' - but I suspect it was the frequency of oil change than the quality of the oil.

I'm not scrimping anything, just pointing out that oil companies can only go so far in development, no one company is leagues ahead of another, so why get sucked in and spend 25% more on one brand?? Two bottles of water, one's £1 the other is £3 with fancy name and packaging, will brand snobbery force £2 extra out of your pocket for an identical product?

Are you telling me that Shell is rubbish just because it's 25% cheaper than Castrol etc? I agree with you frequency is key and a lot more key than picking between 5 top end brands.

Don't forget that American companies are allowed to stick any old shit down for advertising and it's legally up to the consumer to be factually aware, unlike the UK where companies cannot stick down crap like 'Proprietary blend' 'Exclusive formula' etc etc.

I don't think we are disagreeing. Shell oil is fine (never mentioned it), I used to use it all the time in my Supercharged Series 1 Elise. Then again I (on the advice of a trusted Porsche car and race engine builder) used Millers 10w 60 in my Porsche 968 which was tracked a lot.

I'm quite happy with the millers 5w 40, it costs a few quid more than a Castrol or a Shell but not bothered by that, we're quite lucky these only take just under 5l so you can put whatever oil you like in and even the most expensive isn't more than a full tank of fuel......

 

[mk2506]

I agree there isn't any proof, FWIW, my view after 30 years of motoring and many cars THE most important is regular oil changes. That said, when the 'perceived' better oil is what £20-30 more why scrimp?

Back in the late 80's I had a year old Audi 80. I changed the oil every 6 months or 5k miles and at 6.5 years old and 185k I sold it, it was still going fine a few years later on 220k. That had the fantastic 'Duckhams QXR' - but I suspect it was the frequency of oil change than the quality of the oil.

I'm not scrimping anything, just pointing out that oil companies can only go so far in development, no one company is leagues ahead of another, so why get sucked in and spend 25% more on one brand?? Two bottles of water, one's £1 the other is £3 with fancy name and packaging, will brand snobbery force £2 extra out of your pocket for an identical product?

Are you telling me that Shell is rubbish just because it's 25% cheaper than Castrol etc? I agree with you frequency is key and a lot more key than picking between 5 top end brands.

Don't forget that American companies are allowed to stick any old shit down for advertising and it's legally up to the consumer to be factually aware, unlike the UK where companies cannot stick down crap like 'Proprietary blend' 'Exclusive formula' etc etc.

I don't think we are disagreeing. Shell oil is fine (never mentioned it), I used to use it all the time in my Supercharged Series 1 Elise. Then again I (on the advice of a trusted Porsche car and race engine builder) used Millers 10w 60 in my Porsche 968 which was tracked a lot.

I'm quite happy with the millers 5w 40, it costs a few quid more than a Castrol or a Shell but not bothered by that, we're quite lucky these only take just under 5l so you can put whatever oil you like in and even the most expensive isn't more than a full tank of fuel......

Unfortunately mine is the model catchment that uses oil, I resent paying 30e for top up btls of Mobil etc!

 

[gadgetboy38]

Hi Constantine, Shell Helix Ultra is a 5w-40 oil with correct Audi spec of 503.01.if you prefer to use 5w-40 oil
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68976-shell ... e-oil.aspx
Hoggy.

This isn't 504/507 or 503.01 spec but interested in the shell helix ultra 5w-40 for a 2008 TTS

So what oil did you go for in the end ?

 

[Hoggy]

Hi Constantine, Shell Helix Ultra is a 5w-40 oil with correct Audi spec of 503.01.if you prefer to use 5w-40 oil
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68976-shell ... e-oil.aspx
Hoggy.

This isn't 504/507 or 503.01 spec but interested in the shell helix ultra 5w-40 for a 2008 TTS

So what oil did you go for in the end ?

Hi, This topic started 8 years ago & specs & links have changed/get up dated.
The Audi recommended spec is 5w-30 504/507 spec.
I'm sure I found a 5w-40 504/507 spec Shell oil at Opie oil a couple of weeks ago but can't find it today.
I will search my recent posts
5w-40 oils are normally 502/505 spec which was approved for Audi but lower BHP engine & more frequent replacing.
Hoggy.

 

[Hoggy]

Hi, Edit to my above post. It was for 0w-30 oil that I found a 504/507 spec oil not 5w-40
Still no 504/507 spec for 5w-40 oils.
Hoggy.

 

[robd140]

Millers NANODRIVE CFS 5w-40 NT+ is probably the best oil for a 2.0 TFSI engine and recommended by various tuners and enthusiasts.

 

[SwissJetPilot]

For your reading pleasure -

This bulletin lists engine oils that meet Audi Oil Quality Standards:
VW 501 01, 502 00, 504 00, 505 00, 505 01, 507 00, 508 00, and 509 00

View attachment TSB for VAG Approved Engine Oils.pdf