Had a quick search on here and was wondering what the difference is between a 225 and QS. Not much HP difference, they have the same engine yeah!? Assuming it's tuned different or something...!?
Stuart.
Stuart.
Nogaro TT
1. Only 800 QS models available in the UK and they use a two tone paint scheme which consists of:
- Avus Silver with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Misano Red with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Mauritius Blue with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- All Phantom Black
2. QS comes with 18", 15 spoke alloys unique to the model, and as standard
3. No rear seats and replaced with a bar and shelf to reduce weight. Spare tyre and air-con removed and option of climate control instead, and this is also to reduce weight. A QS is 75kg lighter because of these alone.
4. Enhanced power with 240 bhp and a capped max speed of 155 mph, with 0-60 mph taking 5.7 seconds.
5. Recaro Pole Position seats
6. Quattro sport decal on glovebox, and the handbrake,gear knob and steering wheel covered in Alacantra leather
7. V6 front bumper, rear honeycomb valance and spoiler
8. Black exhaust tips
9. Uprated suspension
10. Red painted brake calipers
11. Wider rear wheels and arch spats
12. QS was the only model to be built by quattro GmbH in Germany
- Avus Silver with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Misano Red with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Mauritius Blue with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- All Phantom Black
2. QS comes with 18", 15 spoke alloys unique to the model, and as standard
3. No rear seats and replaced with a bar and shelf to reduce weight. Spare tyre and air-con removed and option of climate control instead, and this is also to reduce weight. A QS is 75kg lighter because of these alone.
4. Enhanced power with 240 bhp and a capped max speed of 155 mph, with 0-60 mph taking 5.7 seconds.
5. Recaro Pole Position seats
6. Quattro sport decal on glovebox, and the handbrake,gear knob and steering wheel covered in Alacantra leather
7. V6 front bumper, rear honeycomb valance and spoiler
8. Black exhaust tips
9. Uprated suspension
10. Red painted brake calipers
11. Wider rear wheels and arch spats
12. QS was the only model to be built by quattro GmbH in Germany
in the big picture.... not a great deal :roll: both my cars had air con and i thought they also did bright silver,
I was aware about the 12 points you've listed above, but really what I was asking was about the engine HP! 15BHP isn't much of a difference if they're the same engine. So what is it an air filter/induction or something!??Kanikuman said:
Cheers, Stuart.
Having gone from an early 225 (chipped to 244bhp by unknown - previous owner) to a qS, I was very afraid I was going for a newer 225 with "bodykit and posh seats".
The actual difference is chalk and cheese, it handles, it goes, it is a joy to drive. The qS is without a doubt the ultimate (production) mk1 TT,
However had it come with V6 front brakes (as per the brochure) is would be even better.
The actual difference is chalk and cheese, it handles, it goes, it is a joy to drive. The qS is without a doubt the ultimate (production) mk1 TT,
However had it come with V6 front brakes (as per the brochure) is would be even better.
the size of the 
when you drive
also andy (yellow) said that they are alot stronger under the shell, you could see it had more to it when it was up on the ramp or at least thats my interpretation
and whilst it just sounds like its 15 horses different its the drive and handling package that makes it the mk1 TT to have
when you drivealso andy (yellow) said that they are alot stronger under the shell, you could see it had more to it when it was up on the ramp or at least thats my interpretation
and whilst it just sounds like its 15 horses different its the drive and handling package that makes it the mk1 TT to have
All this talk about the QS and the 225 and you've ALL overlooked the ultimate TT driving experience that is the 180.
I mean 180, that is the highest score on a dartboard, can't be beaten!
I mean 180, that is the highest score on a dartboard, can't be beaten!
Regarding the power difference, it is gained by using a different map as far as I know.
Charlie
Charlie
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The charge profile specified in the ECU parameter LDRXN is quite different (elevated at key points in the engine speed range). See table below. That's the main difference I could find between a BFV map and a BAM map.Charlie said:
RPM·········BAM (%)····BFV(%)
1000········97.0··········99.0
1720········128.1········129.8
2000········140.6········148.5
2100········147.4········154.5
2200········146.7········155.3
2520········140.8········166.5
3000········138.3········166.5
3520········140.9········166.5
4000········144.0········166.5
4520········151.8········177.0
5000········151.7········185.3
5520········157.7········171.8
5900········155.3········168.8
6000········153.0········160.5
6400········142.3········148.5
6800········130.1········144.0
Doug
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Sort of Charlie, but it's not strictly a different map. It's the same map (2D, not 3D) with a different profile, that's why I felt it was worthwhile clarifying your statement.
I'll be uploading this and others with appropriate discussion in the next few weeks in a ECU remapping FAQ once it has been reviewed by a professional tuner.
Cheers.
Doug
I'll be uploading this and others with appropriate discussion in the next few weeks in a ECU remapping FAQ once it has been reviewed by a professional tuner.
Cheers.
Doug
I thought the QS has some internal engine differences thats why it is not a BAM or APX.
Steve
Steve
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I thought this too but couldn't find any detailed information on the difference. A trawl of ETKA reveals a few points noted on other forums:stevecollier said:
The base engines have different part numbers. The pistons appear to be the same but have two identical listings in ETKA. Both are 81.00 mm but apparently an earlier listing showing one at 81.50 mm was incorrect. The crankcase for the BFV engine has a separate listing so it's probably safe to assume that this is different on the BFV engine. How, I don't know.
ETKA Illustration 100-10 (Base engine without distributor, intake manifold, exhaust manifold and alternator. With pistons, oil pump, and oil sump)
Base engine (BAM): 06A 100 098 GX (for models with oil level sensor)
Base engine (BAM): 06A 100 042 K (F 8N-4-020 001>>)
Base engine (BFV): 06A 100 044 D
Base engine (BFV): 06A 100 044 DX
ETKA Illustration 103-10 (Cylinder Block with pistons and oil sump)
Cylinder block with pistons (BAM): 06A 103 101 J
Crankcase (BFV): 06A 103 011 AB
ETKA Illustration 107-00
Piston, complete (BAM & BFV): 06A 107 065 BQ. 81.00 mm.
Securing ring (BAM & BFV): N 012 273 1 (20 mm x 1.5 mm).
Piston rings, 1 set (BAM & BFV): 06A 198 151 A (81.00 mm).
G
Flattered, I'm sure, but it was only 10 minutes on ETKA over a beer! :lol:
What else can I say? I like facts & BS makes me mad.
If I was any good at all, I'd be able to tell you what's different about the crankcase...
I repeat a slightly edited version of Kanikuman's list here:
1. Only 800 QS models available in the UK and they use a two tone paint scheme which consists of:
- Avus Silver with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Misano Red with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Mauritius Blue with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- All Phantom Black
2. Weight saving measures:
(a) 'Rear seat delete kit' fitted consisting of bracing tube, cargo net and MDF shelf.
(b) Spare tyre deleted
(c) Climate control replaced with standard air conditioning (climate control can be fitted as a no cost option).
A QS is 75 kg lighter because of these alone.
3. Battery relocated to boot/trunk.
4. Engine and Drivetrain:
(a) Enhanced output profile with 240 PS and a capped max speed of 155 mph. 0-60 mph in 5.7 seconds.
(b) Different crankcase (see http://www.********.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 3&start=18)
(c) All gear ratios (except 4th and 6th) and final drive ratios are different (see http://www.********.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 09&start=2)
5. Interior Styling:
(a) Recaro Pole Position bucket seats with body-coloured shell. Standard sports seats can be fitted as a no cost option.
(b) Quattro sport decal on glovebox
(c) Handbrake boot, gear knob and steering wheel covered in Alcantara synthetic suede fabric.
6. Exterior Styling:
(a) V6 styling details (front bumper, rear honeycomb valance and spoiler)
(b) Black exhaust tips.
(c) 18", 15 spoke Ronal alloys unique to the model as standard.
(d) Red painted brake calipers (brakes are otherwise the same as the 225 PS variant).
(e) Wider rear wheels (8.5 inch) and arch spats.
7. Uprated suspension.
8. Final assembly was carried out at quattro GmbH in Neckarsulm, Germany. This is identifiable by the WUA prefix to VIN compared to TRU prefix for 225 PS variant. The QS bodyshells were transported from Ingolstadt to Győr in Hungary to be assembled and then are returned to Germany for final assembly.
Doug
What else can I say? I like facts & BS makes me mad.
If I was any good at all, I'd be able to tell you what's different about the crankcase...
I repeat a slightly edited version of Kanikuman's list here:
1. Only 800 QS models available in the UK and they use a two tone paint scheme which consists of:
- Avus Silver with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Misano Red with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- Mauritius Blue with Phantom Black roof, wing mirrors and spoiler
- All Phantom Black
2. Weight saving measures:
(a) 'Rear seat delete kit' fitted consisting of bracing tube, cargo net and MDF shelf.
(b) Spare tyre deleted
(c) Climate control replaced with standard air conditioning (climate control can be fitted as a no cost option).
A QS is 75 kg lighter because of these alone.
3. Battery relocated to boot/trunk.
4. Engine and Drivetrain:
(a) Enhanced output profile with 240 PS and a capped max speed of 155 mph. 0-60 mph in 5.7 seconds.
(b) Different crankcase (see http://www.********.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 3&start=18)
(c) All gear ratios (except 4th and 6th) and final drive ratios are different (see http://www.********.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 09&start=2)
5. Interior Styling:
(a) Recaro Pole Position bucket seats with body-coloured shell. Standard sports seats can be fitted as a no cost option.
(b) Quattro sport decal on glovebox
(c) Handbrake boot, gear knob and steering wheel covered in Alcantara synthetic suede fabric.
6. Exterior Styling:
(a) V6 styling details (front bumper, rear honeycomb valance and spoiler)
(b) Black exhaust tips.
(c) 18", 15 spoke Ronal alloys unique to the model as standard.
(d) Red painted brake calipers (brakes are otherwise the same as the 225 PS variant).
(e) Wider rear wheels (8.5 inch) and arch spats.
7. Uprated suspension.
8. Final assembly was carried out at quattro GmbH in Neckarsulm, Germany. This is identifiable by the WUA prefix to VIN compared to TRU prefix for 225 PS variant. The QS bodyshells were transported from Ingolstadt to Győr in Hungary to be assembled and then are returned to Germany for final assembly.
Doug
It's worth adding a few bits of info to the list which are in other threads relating to the QS:Doug Short said:
Colours - Light Silver/Phantom black (yes they did make some in that colour scheme
)The total build was 1165
The last four digits of the VIN are the build number eg 0822 of 1165
It may also be worth adding (if someone can confirm as correct) that the standard seats offered as a No Cost Option in lieu of the are Recaro Pole Positions were leather outer with perforated facings in leather/alcantara? Often referred to as "comfort" seats :lol: which must make the Pole Positions "Super Comfort"
Total worldwide build might be 1165 (sold as "Club Sport" in some markets) of which Audi UK confirmed to me 800 units were sold in the UK.Andy1a2b said:It's worth adding a few bits of info to the list which are in other threads relating to the QS:Doug Short said:
Colours - Light Silver/Phantom black (yes they did make some in that colour scheme
The total build was 1165
The last four digits of the VIN are the build number eg 0822 of 1165
It may also be worth adding (if someone can confirm as correct) that the standard seats offered as a No Cost Option in lieu of the are Recaro Pole Positions were leather outer with perforated facings in leather/alcantara? Often referred to as "comfort" seats :lol: which must make the Pole Positions "Super Comfort"
Yes standard style leather/alcantara seats were a No Cost OptionAndy1a2b said:It may also be worth adding (if someone can confirm as correct) that the standard seats offered as a No Cost Option in lieu of the are Recaro Pole Positions were leather outer with perforated facings in leather/alcantara? Often referred to as "comfort" seats :lol: which must make the Pole Positions "Super Comfort"
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