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The rears have problematic caps where the mag ride connector is - at the top of the strut vs the front mag ride connector being at the bottom of the strut and no cap involved
 
Thanks for that. Figured as much but best to check in case I was missing something.
From the previous reports the connector on rears can be removed with sugurical precession. I'm aiming to take my time and remove without breaking.

Interesting to note that the mdels after 2015 (Mk3) come with these caps while the earlier ones do not. Expensive to purchase Mk1-2 caps from dealership.
 
Any idea what this removal tool for rear shocks is for? Ran across this when searching for shocks.

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It's a clamp/counterhold, so you can hold the shock rod in place and have it not spin while are tightening the nut on the mount. You cannot use a tool that damages the shock rod (like a pliers or vise grip, etc.) because scratching the rod effectively destroys the damper (though granted...technically if you only damage a portion of the rod that never goes into the shock body, it's neither here nor there).

That said the easy way around having to use the tool to clamp the rod...and what virtually all shops do...is just to use impact to tighten the nut.

The front struts do not require this since the top of the rod has a hex socket on it. However you require both a "strut nut socket" and ... 7mm :rolleyes: allen key to counterhold. Emphasis on the "7mm"thing becuase it's more likely you have a strut nut socket than a 7mm allen. 7mm allen keys are about as common as a 3 dollar bill, lol. No seriously they are very hard to come by unless you go specifically looking for them and get them as a specialty item. Almost all sets go from 6 to 8, and never include 7. There is also no common imperial equivalent, either. 7mm hex socket bits are quite common but allen keys...not so much. Why the heck they chose 7mm of all goddamn sizes, I have no idea, but is what it is. Thankfully impact solves this problem just the same.

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BTW, why the heck does VAG make the strut top "counterhold" for a 7mm Allen key?? Who on Earth has a 7mm Allen key?!?!? :mad: Seriously I have a few sets and also have, in my dad's old tools, probably like 50+ more Allen keys metric, imperial, all various ones in old tool boxes. I could find every size but 7mm and no imperial is equivalent to 7mm either! Every single set/size I could find goes from 6mm to 8mm. Now I do have a 7mm hex bit which I could sort of use with the strut nut tool, but I couldn't get a ratchet on the top of that (even with a universal) while still being under the top of the strut nut socket. So then I decided to use a small wrench to hold the bit part of the hex bit and go that way. That worked...until I realised the socket would bottom out on the bit itself before being able to tighten it down enough! 🤦‍♂️ So screw that just impacted them on,
 
@ benckj -

Here you can see the T40129 tool you asked about shown in Workshop Manual Suspension, Wheels & Steering - RG 00, 40, 42, 44, 48 - D3E80075730. It's basically a "third hand" so you can clamp the piston rod into a vise and remove the caps.

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Note the comment "it is not possible to remove without destroying" which is not true if one is very careful about removing both the outer and especially the inner cap. The link below describes the process using a thin metal shim to avoid breaking the retaining feature of the cap.

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Picks have been used, but reportedly still broke the plastic, probably because of too much point-contact pressure or the pick itself was too large. You'd almost want to use something like a dental pick which has a smaller diameter but is still rigid enough to pull back the plastic to allow you to insert the shim. I would probably use a heat gun to warm up the plastic so it's less likely to break. Note - if you use a dental pick, be sure use 'explorer' which has a smooth diameter all the way around and no sharp edges.
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If and when you attempt this PLEASE provide some detailed photos of your work as we only have a description of the process but no supporting images of the inner cap actually being removed.

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Any idea what this removal tool for rear shocks is for? Ran across this when searching for shocks.

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I have a Mk2 and didn't have to use this tool. The only tool I needed was a shorty socket to remove the bottom bolt. The coil spring is too close to the nut.
 
Excellent info on work I'm about to undertake. I'll be sure and post up my experience when doing job. I've change suspension on others car but its been a few years and I'm not as confident as I use to be. Slow & steady, is my motto.

As a matter of interest this below is a couple pics of my rear shock leakage. I don't have any warning lights up on dash. Oil sludge evident on both casings which was picked up during my WOF inspection. Brakes need new pads which is on the list to do. Fronts including rotors were done approx 20k ago by PO.

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That would be good if true but I noticed it wasn't just dust but a thick film of oil & debris stuck on casing. I seem to recall a year ago they were clean.

After taking these pics I wiped both of them down and was going to re-inspect when I did the brakes this next month. Figured I'd buy the aftermarket Magride shocks all the same so I was prepared.
I do have an annoying clunk with the suspension when going over certain bumps at speed. If I switch to sport mode its less obvious. Related or Not??
 
I have a Mk2 and didn't have to use this tool. The only tool I needed was a shorty socket to remove the bottom bolt. The coil spring is too close to the nut.
Speaking of the bottom bolt, these can be seized on there really well. I had a very difficult time getting one of these off on my A3 when I upgraded to coilovers. One side came off okay but the other side I recall having to use a breaker and essentially lowering the car such that the weight of the car was applying force to the breaker 😆 propped on one side with a wooden bench/platform and seeing the breaker bend quite a bit, before the bolt budged. Was a bit dicey an operation TBH lol. By the time I owned the TT and did suspension work on that, I had good cordless impact wrenches though, so not really a worry. YMMV on how "well seized" these are on anyone's given car but just a heads up--once again so long as you have a decent mid-torque impact you're probably not worried about these things.

As for the spring being in the way...just remove the spring. It takes all of like 30s to get that out the way by removing the bolt and dropping the arm and pulling the spring out (just remember to undo the level sensor before dropping the arm!). I mean I had to take these out anyway but they are very quick/easy to get out. The bolt on the arm may present the same difficulty as above though, but again something impact will zip off without the thought ever crossing your mind. Granted you're supposed to replace these when removed and probably should if they're the ones the car was built with, but otherwise they can be reused a few times perfectly fine anyway.

Workshop manual states that just because there are some signs of leaking the shock could be perfectly fine.
This is absolutely correct (as you've shown in the S/M pages)...in theory. In practice and reality what "some signs of leakage" means is highly subjective. I had one damper (LR) leaking what I'd say was lightly but much less than one of his pictures; and my other other one not leaking at all. They were both still done for. The reality is his car is over 15 years old and those leaks are not what I'd say are "some signs" but major signs...those shocks are absolutely done for.

My thought on lines like this in the S/M are essentially like the guidelines for oil consumption (which are far higher than the average person would expect but what the manufacturer specifies). Why? Because it gets them out of doing expensive warranty repairs, lol. Some very light leakage when the car is 3-4 years old, okay maybe; but leakage like OP has and presuming those are the original dampers? Not. A. Chance! 😄 Just the same as a damper that's leaking doesn't necessarily mean it's bad; a damper isn't leaking also doesn't mean it's not bad or worn out. My fronts (and one rear) were not leaking at all, they were very clearly done for. The car never drove quite right with the old tired ones and the difference in the old and the new ones was simply night and day.

Excellent info on work I'm about to undertake. I'll be sure and post up my experience when doing job. I've change suspension on others car but its been a few years and I'm not as confident as I use to be. Slow & steady, is my motto.

As a matter of interest this below is a couple pics of my rear shock leakage. I don't have any warning lights up on dash. Oil sludge evident on both casings which was picked up during my WOF inspection. Brakes need new pads which is on the list to do. Fronts including rotors were done approx 20k ago by PO.

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IMO these shocks are done for. As said that one on the right is way more leakage than I had on one of mine (which was probably more like the one on the left). The lack of warning lights doesn't mean anything either. You can even set the mag ride to test mode and find the dampers all firm up like bricks as they should--they certainly did on my car...didn't mean a thing. In spite of all that, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind the dampers on my car (all four of them) were totally done for--not only past their prime but just finished altogether. The difference again being how much better the car drove after changing them out.

The only reliable way to actually diagnose a magride shock is to use Audi's "test apparatus" which involves measuring angles of deflection under given loads and all this nonsense--entirely impractical/impossible for a DIYer and honestly an apparatus most stealerships do not even have. But the thinking that original shocks (magride or otherwise)...which are leaking...would still be good on a car this old, is simply unrealistic IMO. As I often say...driving around on 15yr old worn out shocks in a minivan or something is one thing, but doing the same on a performance car of any sort, is really just doing yourself an injustice. You are not wrong in any way for wanting/intending to change these out.
 
Thanks for all the info as it helps me plan & prep for the work. It is also good to have this in forum for others to use as many will be facing same issues. Certainly like to learn from others mistakes rather than repeating myself. I'll document my progress when I start on work. I have other cars to use including a work 4wd so TT can stay on jackstands for several weeks.
 
I'll be curious to see how you get along as I may be tackling the same project in the near future. From what I've seen, I think I should be able to handle the rear replacement, but I'm not so sure about the fronts.

It's also pretty infuriating how expensive the replacement rear caps are if something goes wrong during the removal, especially considering that the Mk3 versions all appear to include those parts for not much more cost. For example: Pair Rear Shocks Absorbers Struts Magnetic For Audi A3 Quattro S3 RS3 2015-2022 | eBay
 
I'll be curious to see how you get along as I may be tackling the same project in the near future. From what I've seen, I think I should be able to handle the rear replacement, but I'm not so sure about the fronts.
Both axles/sides have their "quirks" in the job but I'd say the front is a lot more "frustrating". In the rear there's issues with access/space which make it a pain. In the front...

If you were keeping the existing front springs there's the additional difficulty/problem of having to decompress the McPherson assembly once you have it out--for that most DIYers would be into using one of those "claw type" strut decompressors from HF, etc. Those work...but they can be pretty dicey let's just say 😆 One idea is to use two sets of them. But the way to get around this completely, is just to get new springs, heh. That's what I did 😉 Doing it this way, the only additional thing you're buying (other than the new springs) will be the dust boots/bellows, which are relatively inexpensive. You will be putting a new mount/bearing on top too, but you'd absolutely want to do that anyway even if you disassembled the original strut to re-use the spring.

NB: There's also a good reason to replace the springs... If you read up on previous posts you'll see there's quite a number of ppl that have had springs on Mk2 TTs snap/break. If an old/reused spring should break, it has the possibility of blowing the whole strut...which is a darn expensive strut when it comes to magride. I thought of of it as "cheap insurance" but I'll leave that up to you to decide.

Apart from that^, the worst parts about getting the front struts out, are: the pinch bolt (which may be corroded and seized to hell), and getting the strut to release from the collar on the knuckle. Even after that bolt is out you have to use the spreader bit, but on the alum knuckles on the TT it creates the problem where the spreader can more dig into the soft alum rather than accomplishing what it should. I had this problem on one side of the car more than the other. I did eventually get it out with more tools, improvisation and rage LOL, but yeah it was frustrating.

It's also pretty infuriating how expensive the replacement rear caps are if something goes wrong during the removal, especially considering that the Mk3 versions all appear to include those parts for not much more cost. For example: Pair Rear Shocks Absorbers Struts Magnetic For Audi A3 Quattro S3 RS3 2015-2022 | eBay
Yeah that's interesting alright. Why the heck these China knock-off companies can't make the caps for the Mk2 is a mystery. Even if I wouldn't buy the shocks I'd definitely buy caps that would probably be sold at all of $10 each given all it is, is a plastic cap, a small connector, and a bit of wiring on it.
 
If and when you attempt this PLEASE provide some detailed photos of your work as we only have a description of the process but no supporting images of the inner cap actually being removed.
TBH the pictures you posted are really all there is to see. I can't imagine what any other pics would show or reveal really.

Breaking the plastic is not even the real problem, it's really just that little green connector inside. If anything if you have to choose between breaking the plastic lips and breaking the interior green connector, do the former. But the thing is it's not a choice of doing that. It doesn't matter if you break the plastic to get them off "cleanly" because the centre pin can still break.

When I pulled mine off I was able to get the first one off with a bit of damage to the plastic didn't break anything. The internal connector also didn't break but was a bit loose/iffy compared to a new one, which is why I didn't reuse it. It could have been reused though (I kept it now, as a spare if ever needed).

The second one I had a go at, I actually was able to get the plastic lips raised over the nut much cleaner/better...almost perfect I'd say. In doing this I was able to lift the connector up completely vertically...which you'd think would mean it would "definitely not break". Well... That's not what happened. When I pulled it up (again without any angle and straight up) I heard a very distinct "snap"! Sure enough the connection inside "destroyed" exactly as Audi said it would. Unlike the first one that was merely "a little loose", the second one which I thought I got of much better, was totally loose and clearly unusable.

I've said this before but, getting those things off in reusable fashion seems completely up to chance. It doesn't matter how careful you are with getting the plastic bit over the nut, because if the pin inside is "seized" or tight enough on the pin in the shock rod, the connector will break when you lift it off.

One thinking might be hey what if I spray some silicone lubricant in there, maybe it will get to the pin and help it release. So yeah maybe do that and see if it helps any. But if you can't get the spray to get in under there, it might not do anything anyway. Worth a shot though. Knowing what I know now I probably would have done that, but obviously too late for me.
 
If you were keeping the existing front springs there's the additional difficulty/problem of having to decompress the McPherson assembly once you have it out--for that most DIYers would be into using one of those "claw type" strut decompressors from HF, etc. Those work...but they can be pretty dicey let's just say 😆 One idea is to use two sets of them. But the way to get around this completely, is just to get new springs, heh. That's what I did 😉 Doing it this way, the only additional thing you're buying (other than the new springs) will be the dust boots/bellows, which are relatively inexpensive. You will be putting a new mount/bearing on top too, but you'd absolutely want to do that anyway even if you disassembled the original strut to re-use the spring.
I think the only way I would feel comfortable attempting to do the fronts myself would be with a complete replacement strut assembly: 4X Front Rear Air Suspension Shock Absorber For Audi TT TTS TTRS MKII Quattro | eBay

Even then I'm not sure I have the tools and ability to actually complete the task.
 
I think the only way I would feel comfortable attempting to do the fronts myself would be with a complete replacement strut assembly: 4X Front Rear Air Suspension Shock Absorber For Audi TT TTS TTRS MKII Quattro | eBay
Yeah that would work but the only way you'd get such a complete assembly is by getting the China aftermarkets (which I realise is what this thread is all about to begin with but just saying). That said even if you had OE parts separate, it's pretty darn easy to put together a MacPherson. You don't need to be able to compress/hold the spring putting it together, you only need be able to do this to take one apart.

Even then I'm not sure I have the tools and ability to actually complete the task.
Don't worry, we (or at least I) believe in you! 😁 If you're willing/able to do the rear, then I have confidence you can do the front! You might need a few more bits/bobs when it comes to tools, like the spreader bit and triple-square bits to get the pinch bolt out and the counter-hold for the endlink (if you have OE endlinks on the car), but if you own a VAG car you really ought to have a set or two of triple squares (I have three different sets!).

Of course if you want to leave it up to a shop, that's your choice; but, don't sell yourself short either! You can do it! 😁
 
It's also pretty infuriating how expensive the replacement rear caps are if something goes wrong during the removal, especially considering that the Mk3 versions all appear to include those parts for not much more cost. For example: Pair Rear Shocks Absorbers Struts Magnetic For Audi A3 Quattro S3 RS3 2015-2022 | eBay
This is why I looked a fair time to decided on what aftermarket shocks to buy. Thought I could get the Chinese version with the top cap included as shown in the 2015+ versions. Unfortunately that was not possible even though shocks looked near identical.

So like many others I'm faced with the dilemna of trying to remove old caps without breaking anything. I'll follow Swiss's guide to use shims around the tabs & seal picks with plenty of silicone spray lubricant and hairdryer heat. As 'TTsRevenge' indicated the center pin can always snap which is a gamble that I'm prepared to take. I haven't researched getting a reaplacement from Audi as parts supply in NZ is not very easy or cheap. Most likely I'd order form overseas and wait.
 
Received the new rear Chinese magrides yesterday. They certainly look decent enough although the top mounts are identical. Would have thought being left & right sides they would be a mirror image of each other. Need to study up on the replacement before starting on work.
More to come......

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Received the new rear Chinese magrides yesterday. They certainly look decent enough although the top mounts are identical. Would have thought being left & right sides they would be a mirror image of each other. Need to study up on the replacement before starting on work.
Yeah the mounts are the same part L&R. It's the car that has the mounting reversed I guess you could say. So on one side of the car you'll have one bolt towards one side; on the other side it'll be two towards the same side. At least I think that's how it is. Looking at pictures from my thread they were the same, so you have the correct parts.
 
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