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Scirocco or TT

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#1 ·
Its crunch time, im spending about 13-14 grand and its between a 58reg 2.0TSI Scirocco or a 07-57 2.0TFSI TT FWD

If i could have the TT with the Scirocco engine that would be perfect but at the moment its looking like the scirocco over the TT.

The main reason is the early TT's have the EA133 engine and the early Scirocco has an early version of the EA888 that both the Scirocco and TT now use and form what i have read on many different forums seems to be a far better engine as the EA133 has a reputation for drinking oil.

Can anyone help, is this oil drinking a common problem on all the early TT engines or is it due to being badly ran in or any other factor.

Any help would be appreciated, cheers
 
#2 ·
Can't comment in the newer engine but my MY07 TT with the older engine has only used a litre of oil in the last 12,000 miles. From what I can deduce the major benefit of the newer spec engine is the 350nm of torque vs the 280nm of it's predecessor. Remapped the former figure goes to 400nm!!
 
#3 ·
Interestingly I have a 2.0TSi Scirocco and am awaiting a new TT-S. I am only swapping because I do not need the practicality of the Scirocco any more, but would not hesitate to recommend it. The interior is not up to Audi standards although the seats are very comfortable. A well equipped Scirocco is well worth considering, especially if you may need to carry passengers (well more than 1 passenger anyway)

James
 
#4 ·
Jimmys said:
Interestingly I have a 2.0TSi Scirocco and am awaiting a new TT-S. I am only swapping because I do not need the practicality of the Scirocco any more, but would not hesitate to recommend it. The interior is not up to Audi standards although the seats are very comfortable. A well equipped Scirocco is well worth considering, especially if you may need to carry passengers (well more than 1 passenger anyway)

James
Not consider the Scirocco R I know its not 4wd but very similar performance and same engine? just a thought 8)
 
#5 ·
For me the TT-S is a bit of a luxury treat. I like the interior of Audis and the performance figures of the TT-S are significantly faster then the Scirocco R from what I have read. That said, if I had got a Scirocco R 2 years ago I probably wouldn't be changing it now. Unfortunately for me the Scirocco R came out after I had ordered my 2.0TSi

James
 
#6 ·
Jimmys said:
For me the TT-S is a bit of a luxury treat. I like the interior of Audis and the performance figures of the TT-S are significantly faster then the Scirocco R from what I have read. That said, if I had got a Scirocco R 2 years ago I probably wouldn't be changing it now. Unfortunately for me the Scirocco R came out after I had ordered my 2.0TSi

James
Fair point, my sister has just brought a TTS 2011 black edition, drive it the other day loads better than my 09 one the interior is different and all the minor niggles i had with mine when i brought new in 09 have been ironed out. Well enjoy your new toy :p :p
 
#8 ·
EA 888 is chain driven , EA133 is belt driven.. I had the EA113 in the Rocco R (my TT RS is better on fuel than the rocco R)
My Sister has a 2010 2l TSI (EA888) and its better on fuel than the slightly older engine. But then again the TT is lighter...

I would not worry too much about the diffrent engines, go with what ever car appeals to you more.

Rocco R vs TTs is no contest, the Rocco struggles with the power and fwd in all but Ideal conditions.
 
#9 ·
Oil consumption seems variable on the TT mine is ok. One area that has been discussed before is the so called running in period. Some folk think they are doing the engine a good turn by changing the oil early on, this is not a good idea as their needs to be some metal to metal contact to bed in the bores. In the past manufactures used to use a running in oil that required changing after a 1000 or so miles, this is not the case with Audi they use high quality oil from the start and that's why they don't recommend a change for at least 10000 miles, and in some cases 20000. So some of the poor oil consumption may be down to early oil changes which I agree is counter intuitive.
 
#10 ·
newt said:
Oil consumption seems variable on the TT mine is ok. One area that has been discussed before is the so called running in period. Some folk think they are doing the engine a good turn by changing the oil early on, this is not a good idea as their needs to be some metal to metal contact to bed in the bores. In the past manufactures used to use a running in oil that required changing after a 1000 or so miles, this is not the case with Audi they use high quality oil from the start and that's why they don't recommend a change for at least 10000 miles, and in some cases 20000. So some of the poor oil consumption may be down to early oil changes which I agree is counter intuitive.
very interesting, Im having a remap done on mine soon. Done 9k miles or so, not due for an oil change but I was going to change it. So should I leave it until the car asks for one ?
 
#11 ·
Anakin said:
newt said:
Oil consumption seems variable on the TT mine is ok. One area that has been discussed before is the so called running in period. Some folk think they are doing the engine a good turn by changing the oil early on, this is not a good idea as their needs to be some metal to metal contact to bed in the bores. In the past manufactures used to use a running in oil that required changing after a 1000 or so miles, this is not the case with Audi they use high quality oil from the start and that's why they don't recommend a change for at least 10000 miles, and in some cases 20000. So some of the poor oil consumption may be down to early oil changes which I agree is counter intuitive.
very interesting, Im having a remap done on mine soon. Done 9k miles or so, not due for an oil change but I was going to change it. So should I leave it until the car asks for one ?
Yes I would wait. Another way of looking at this why would Audi introduce an oil changing process that would reduce the life of their engines and possibly result in warranty claims. You can also operate a new engine much harder from new than say one built 10 years ago, as build tolerances are much tighter.
 
#13 ·
maxamus007 said:
TTShocking said:
.....loads better than my 09 one the interior is different
What have they changed on the inside?
I thought the TT interior was the same and has remained the same...?
The problems with the sagging seats the new ones have thicker leather (feels different) and the seats have TTS embedded in them (cosmetic really) and the DRL light switch is integrated in to the actual main lights switch, the controls for the air con ie the knobs are aluminium finish not sure if this is because she got a black edition the stupid phone jack in the center console has been removed and that s about it from first looks...... oh and the doors don t feel as heavy as mine.
 
#14 ·
There's no comparison between the mundane scirocco and luxurious TT! I have an 08 TT 2.0 and you do have to to it up the odd time with oil, but sure so what? Great engine!
 
#15 ·
When I bought my 2.0 tfsi tt I had originally gone to view a scirocco which I had set my heart on buying.Unfortunatley parked at the side of the scirocco was the tt which I now own.The scirocco was certainley a very attractive car but parked at the side of the tt it did very much look like a run of the mill hatchback.That together with the rather boring interior swayed me towards the much sportier looking tt.In the fourteen months I,ve now owned the car other than a full oil change I,ve only topped up 1/2 liter in 10000 miles which doesn,t seem a lot to me.
 
#16 ·
Scirocco, its not even in the same league...
It looks like one of the ugly sisters with small pox and a mild case of leprocy after a good beating by Joey Barton and Vinny Jones.

Oil is bad on all TFSI engines, doesnt matter what type.
 
#18 ·
newt said:
Oil consumption seems variable on the TT mine is ok. One area that has been discussed before is the so called running in period. Some folk think they are doing the engine a good turn by changing the oil early on, this is not a good idea as their needs to be some metal to metal contact to bed in the bores. In the past manufactures used to use a running in oil that required changing after a 1000 or so miles, this is not the case with Audi they use high quality oil from the start and that's why they don't recommend a change for at least 10000 miles, and in some cases 20000. So some of the poor oil consumption may be down to early oil changes which I agree is counter intuitive.
I totally agree. Changing oil early stops the running in process. Treating the engine too carefully from day one means the running in process never starts.

Scirocco or TT: I had the same decision to make. I deliberately did not go for a test drive. I just sat there in both. Walked around both checked and thought about practicality or the lack thereof. Bottom line: The TT made me feel very special. The Rocco made me feel slightly special and is way too practical to be cool. So no new Rocco, a second hand TT it had to be. Oil consumption? Who cares. I had to top it up with about 2 litres between long life services (18k miles) and I actually think it is starting to use less oil now. One year down the line and I still feel that I made the right decision.
 
#19 ·
topper harley said:
Its crunch time, im spending about 13-14 grand and its between a 58reg 2.0TSI Scirocco or a 07-57 2.0TFSI TT FWD Any help would be appreciated, cheers
no-one looks twice at a scirocco :)
 
#20 ·
I prefer my mates Rocco R to my 2.0TFSI. The power and sound is in a different league. The build quality is alot better than my TT.

Not sure how it compares to a TTS but its deffo better than a normal TT (excluding TTS/TTRS).

Features:

- Built in 30GB touch screen SATNAV with SDHC slot
- Media connection built in arm-rest (you dont even get an arm rest in a TT!)
- Finishes in shiny piano black
- Auto wipers as standard
- Tyre pressure sensors as standard
- DRL's and Auto-lights as standard

The sound it makes is just phenomenal!

If im really honest, I preferred my MK5 Golf GTI more too. Yes, the TT is better looking but the GTI was pure fun and smiles.
 
#21 ·
maxamus007 said:
I prefer my mates Rocco R to my 2.0TFSI. The power and sound is in a different league. The build quality is alot better than my TT.

Not sure how it compares to a TTS but its deffo better than a normal TT (excluding TTS/TTRS).

Features:

- Built in 30GB touch screen SATNAV with SDHC slot
- Media connection built in arm-rest (you dont even get an arm rest in a TT!)
- Finishes in shiny piano black
- Auto wipers as standard
- Tyre pressure sensors as standard
- DRL's and Auto-lights as standard

The sound it makes is just phenomenal!

If im really honest, I preferred my MK5 Golf GTI more too. Yes, the TT is better looking but the GTI was pure fun and smiles.
Mmmm i suppose whatever floats your boat, I don't like the Scirocco and as for auto wipers, tpm, auto lights what the heck just gadgets. I bought a Golf GT sport and sold it back to the dealers within 4 weeks worst car I had ever owned which had every bell and whistle added to it ......... cant repeat what i thought of it !

I think the TT is great :p
 
#22 ·
This may kind of be helpful but its only my opinion, Ive always seen the Scirocco as in the same 'league' as the A3. The TT however, is in a different league, its a proper low, sporty, coupe, not a Golf with a few different body panels. It's only my opinion though, but thought it may be worth a mention. :D
 
#23 ·
Someones been on the pop tonight - a golf! :?
This feels like one of those VW advert this - im going to have to get my eyes checked, sure hes just said the golf was more fun.

As for the spec - what you dont say is 30GB HDD is pointless, iphone has more storage and the AMI is a 000000000x better!!!
The nav is SHOCKING "keep on this road for some time" "keep on this road for a long time" is this 1982 again?
Piano black, the finish marks are looks nasty.. and you can have that as an option on the TT if you're daft enough.
Extras are standard to make it look like a better package!
 
#24 ·
Toshiba said:
Someones been on the pop tonight - a golf! :?
This feels like one of those VW advert this - im going to have to get my eyes checked, sure hes just said the golf was more fun.

As for the spec - what you dont say is 30GB HDD is pointless, iphone has more storage and the AMI is a 000000000x better!!!
The nav is SHOCKING "keep on this road for some time" "keep on this road for a long time" is this 1982 again?
Piano black, the finish marks are looks nasty.. and you can have that as an option on the TT if you're daft enough.
Extras are standard to make it look like a better package!
You can say what you want but I still prefer my MK5 Golf GTI to my TT.

Some are saying the Audi's are in a different league to VW's........most of the underlying parts/engine are the same in both brands (likewise with all VAG cars)......the brakes are pads all come from VW cars just as an example.

The Rocco R is a better car than a non-TTS/RS TT IMO.

DW19 said:
This may kind of be helpful but its only my opinion, Ive always seen the Scirocco as in the same 'league' as the A3. The TT however, is in a different league, its a proper low, sporty, coupe, not a Golf with a few different body panels. It's only my opinion though, but thought it may be worth a mention. :D
The A3 is a Golf with an Audi badge.

markuk said:
Mmmm i suppose whatever floats your boat, I don't like the Scirocco and as for auto wipers, tpm, auto lights what the heck just gadgets.
Most of these gadgets are pretty much standard on Ford's these days but not on Audi's. You'd think they would be standard on a ÂŁ25k + car..?
 
#25 ·
maxamus007 said:
You can say what you want but I still prefer my MK5 Golf GTI to my TT.
The Rocco R is a better car than a non-TTS/RS TT IMO.
of course you have your opinion maxamus007 but as a matter of interest why have a TT if you prefer your golf and the scirocco R is a better car - cause you love it really :wink:

Anyway - back to the OP query, who looks twice at a golf or scirocco or turns and glances back admiring the curves ? No-one !!!